Why are people complaining about DLC

[Fishook]

I agree with this but as you said, nothing was promised or advertised in what would and what would not be included in the game from a management standpoint. The only thing they said was "management evolved". That is a very vague sales term. You can easily argue that they have significantly evolved the "brain" of each guest. It is a more complex brain than what it ever were, an evolved brain. It may still not work the way everyone assumes/expects it should but without this new brain you would not have the guests react to items in your park, be amazed by fireworks or an attraction or scenery in general. One can argue that the scenery itself has a big part of the management of the part. Better scenery around a ride and queue line and the guests will pay more money for that ride and so on. All these DLCs, even the small ones, do affect the management part of the game, even if every so slightly. It is all connected.

Was a long long time since I played RCT3, but what part of the management was superior in that game than in Planet Coaster? What "key/must have" featured on the management side did it have that Planet Coaster is missing?

I agree that the vendors quiting because they have too little to do is an annoying bug, but it is a bug that came after release in one of the free updates that tried to fix/improve something else. This speaks somewhat to the complexity of making other than asset updates to a game like this. They also said this will be fixed in the anniversary update.

Spot on, I would love a more management focused game but when I pre-orded the game approx. 2 years ago I always knew this was going the more creative route. All modern remakes or games re-inventing the genre have lack something that made the originals special.

It's taken years and fan backed money to create games that are getting close to games to what they were like 15-20 yrs ago. i.e Divinity Original Sin 2. Planet Coaster need time and money to evolve into a modern classic. People are playing early access games like PUBG in vast numbers which simply wouldn't get make if publishers had there way. Even Paradox is struggling when the have tried to diversify there portfolio.

 

[Spanky]

@Luuknoord. You have really no idea, how business work, right???? . [removed personal comment]. Don't know what you work, but if you would give anythink away for free and make no money, how want you pay your rent, feed your family or pay your doctor if you get sick? Now imagine, you would work at Frontier ... anything costs money, the office, all the employees including the cleaning women. For every program you sell you have to pay taxes, some of your employees have to be insured. Now give anything away for free, how would you pay all your employees?

 

[Spanky]

Frontier made RCT3, by that they set certain standards. Industry standards.

The fans of RCT3 has set the standards, not Frontier. All the real expansions like the Importer for objects or the Custom Tracked Rides / Custom Trackes Cars are fan-made and never official tools, created by Frontier. Frontier has only published RCT3 and two expansion packs with a distance of one year between the releases. There was only three official udates, most for the Wild expansion and that was all. To say, they set the standards would mean for PC, no free Updates, just two more expansions and that's it.

 

[Eaglefan9727]

@Luuknoord. You have really no idea, how business work, right???? . [removed personal comment]. Don't know what you work, but if you would give anythink away for free and make no money, how want you pay your rent, feed your family or pay your doctor if you get sick? Now imagine, you would work at Frontier ... anything costs money, the office, all the employees including the cleaning women. For every program you sell you have to pay taxes, some of your employees have to be insured. Now give anything away for free, how would you pay all your employees?

There is always going to be a certain group of people who bought the game and will always complain as they think that everything that is added to the game itself should always be free. However, I am not one of those people as I know the money that Frontier makes off these DLC packs will go to the future of the game itself and I also know that their staff needs to be paid for their time. In fact, I havent played a single minute of Planet Coaster as of yet, because I am saving up money for a new gaming PC rig which I am hoping to get around the holiday season so I can play the game properly. After watching the live stream yesterday, I personally think the DLC pack will be worth the $11. Just a few years ago, I used to play Microsoft Train Simulator and I would easily spend $100 a year when it came to payware stuff, so $11 is pretty cheap if you ask me. The only reason why I am not playing the game anymore is, because I cant run it on windows 10.

 

[UCES Fossil]

I would like to offer my perspective. According to Steam, I've logged over 1500 hours of PC play. So, the game has cost me a little over three cents (U.S.) per hour of play. As I continue to play, my cost per hour continues to go down. So, for me, the game has been a great entertainment bargain.

Aside: Maybe someday my current park will be complete enough to share (I hope!).

The management aspects, flexibility and game play of PC met my expectations. Sure, software can always be improved. But I have to say, the scenario objective involving fireworks was a real treat for me. It was far more inspiring than the standbys of an earlier era - "clean the litter/build in a constrained space".

Cheers, all!

 

[Minnion]

How people have interpreted the advertising is subjective as well.

"Simulation evolved " does NOT mean the same thing to everyone who reads that feature.
You bring in all YOUR wants and desires to that vague statement.

"Management" does not mean the same thing to everyone who will interpret it, again, with their own biased thoughts of what the word means or implies.

Seems part of the issue comes down to expectations... While I have plaid a game like Sim City in the past, what really sold me on the game wasn't the promise of "Simulation evolved", it was youtube videos of people playing the Alpha... I paid a fair amount and I'll admit it wasn't cheap(Like 75 dollars if I remember right...)

Anyways what did I expect I'd get? I expected that I'd get to play the game I saw in the youtube videos before the official release... What did I get? Exactly what I paid for, and the pleasant surprise of them throwing in the pre-order bonuses of the Coaster-head edition that I didn't think were included in what I did pay for.

Was I dissapointed? Not too much, Yeah I still wish they didn't replace some of the sign models with what I still consider inferior assets... And I think they also messed with the color mapping on some of the windows in ways I'm not entirely thrilled with as I thought they looked better before... Fireworks, Festive theme, and the number of additional rides were all nice additions... Still hoping that as they get more stuff done we'll still see additions to the core themes and gameplay that come with the base game...(Maybe some dancing nobles for the fairy tail theme, some sword fighting pirates, perhaps a mermaid or two that isn't a statue, that unused heap of gold it looks like they rendered in that one screenshot... QoL fixes as their ready... Maybe more menu improvements to help make the management aspect less tedious, like let us set the base wage for all workers of a given type... A filter tab so we can get a list of all ride sequencers without having to muddle through a list of every single ride in our park... Working picnicking tables so we can set up picknic areas near our food vendors, let us rename menu items... Stuff like that)

Aside from that I look forward to seeing the release of the Spooky pack and all of it's contents... And defiantly a bargain when compared to TF2's micro-transactions... (We get a Hat and a whole lot of placeable assets and props to use for what would probably get you one, or two hats in TF2... Yeah differant kind of game to be sure... But as far as DLC goes, at least the Spooky pack isn't some limited time only RNG loot crate.... I'm happy as long as Frontier stays away from blind purchases with its DLC.)

 

[DrowningStar]

It's not complaining, it's critiquing and that should be welcomed. That's just about it.

 

[LN]

@Luuknoord. You have really no idea, how business work, right???? . [removed personal comment]. Don't know what you work, but if you would give anythink away for free and make no money, how want you pay your rent, feed your family or pay your doctor if you get sick? Now imagine, you would work at Frontier ... anything costs money, the office, all the employees including the cleaning women. For every program you sell you have to pay taxes, some of your employees have to be insured. Now give anything away for free, how would you pay all your employees?

I am actually looking back where you have read I said it should be free?

You want to know my job?

Project Coördinator

I monitor projects to look if we make enough money out of it and if there are any efficiency improvements to be made.

Yes, I know how a business works and a free for all model does not work. I'm not stupid you know.

And now, please tell me where I said it should have been a free update.

I AM NOT ON THE "IT SHOULD BE FREE" CAMP!!!!

I am only questioning the methods of approach.

 

[Vampiro]

Just a general message... please keep it civil and respectfull [wink]

Discussion and expressing opinions is okay but please try not to insult each other.

 

[LN]

Just a general message... please keep it civil and respectfull [wink]

Discussion and expressing opinions is okay but please try not to insult each other.

Accusing me of something I didn't say is insulting as well.

 

[Vampiro]

Accusing me of something I didn't say is insulting as well.

Thats why it was a general message [wink]

 

[LN]

Thats why it was a general message [wink]

I am sorry for my outburst.

It's a bit annoying.
As at first my thought was it should have been free (first response 3 days ago), but after discovering the pack contained 100+ items I said it's probably it's money's worth.

 

[Vampiro]

I am sorry for my outburst.

It's a bit annoying.
As at first my thought was it should have been free (first response 3 days ago), but after discovering the pack contained 100+ items I said it's probably it's money's worth.

Don't worry, i know discussions can get heated once in a while. Thats why i just gave a general message because i know how easy it is to get carried away sometimes.
Nonetheless im very glad you think the DLC is worth the money now I cant wait to play around with the new tracked rides!

 

[breezerHOG1]

I am actually looking back where you have read I said it should be free?

I AM NOT ON THE "IT SHOULD BE FREE" CAMP!!!!

I am only questioning the methods of approach.

I've seen several people saying this^^... This is the problem around here, people keep saying that were demanding free DLC, when that is not the case. Some of us just wish the DLC had more to offer. Maybe someday they will bundle the DLCs together at a lower price, cuz right now the DLC feels more expensive than the full game.

I do think the spooky scenery looks better than the previous licensed kits, and I am excited for the anniversary update [up]

 

[Ramm]

I've seen several people saying this^^... This is the problem around here, people keep saying that were demanding free DLC, when that is not the case. Some of us just wish the DLC had more to offer. Maybe someday they will bundle the DLCs together at a lower price, cuz right now the DLC feels more expensive than the full game.

Tbh it's really annoying that there is a small group that immidiately says the worst thing about anyone that gives suggestions/feedback or criticises certain things about how they are never happy and want everything for free and how we shouldn't be allowed to say anything because we already got so much etc.

 

[Darthreun]

I want to support the devs of this great game so i spent my money for dlc[wink].They can't bring free updates for this game forever[rolleyes].There have been already 3 free updates and there's still one very big in store for november.Devs have to earn their money too somehow[yesnod].So please don't be mad about something that is totally normal,because if they get no money they can't eat and drink and they will die[redface].Would you want that?[uhh]

mouhahahaahaahahah!! that's the funiest thing i've read! they don't need our 10$ to eat or drink! [haha][haha][haha]

 

[Stream]

I'm one of the few people that have said that I think it should be free - but I only said that I think it should be free for early access players that paid a premium price for the game early on. I just think it would be a nice gesture since we did essentially test the game out for Frontier, we bug tested, we feature tested, and by all intents and purposes we did a lot of the early promotion for the game as well.

Mainly I'm also in the camp of "QoL update or bust" basically. Fix what's wrong with the existing features/ fully complete the existing themes before asking us to pay up more money for new stuff.

 

[Scott.]

I'm one of the few people that have said that I think it should be free - but I only said that I think it should be free for early access players that paid a premium price for the game early on. I just think it would be a nice gesture since we did essentially test the game out for Frontier, we bug tested, we feature tested, and by all intents and purposes we did a lot of the early promotion for the game as well.

Mainly I'm also in the camp of "QoL update or bust" basically. Fix what's wrong with the existing features/ fully complete the existing themes before asking us to pay up more money for new stuff.

I'm pretty sure that they arent asking you to pay more money.

If you want the bonus features, you pay. Simple. It's not a dictatorship.

I also don't agree that early access members should get it free. I bought this game after seeing an advert, not from people playing alpha. I've bought pleanty of games at alpha as i wanted to support a title i believe had the potential. Some have delivered, some didn't. That is THE risk I and everyone else takes buying games at alpha. If the game didn't plan out how you wanted then though ❤︎❤︎❤︎❤︎. You took that risk when you parted with £70 or what ever it was. You clearly valued your purchase at £70. You can't now turn round and say it should of included more. Again you will argue you were promised this and that and again I would counter by stating you took that risk buying a game at alpha.

If I had purchased this game at Alpha, had early access, had all the content they have added to date and arrived at this paid DLC, i'd still pay the money. Is £8. LOL.

 

[breezerHOG1]

If I had purchased this game at Alpha, had early access, had all the content they have added to date and arrived at this paid DLC, i'd still pay the money. Is £8. LOL.

The 4 current DLCs are $23 which is half of the base game at $45. As more DLC is released, the DLC will cost more than the base game. The alpha was $30, and there were other pre-order extras sold at even higher prices. I can't say for sure why people like paying extra to play the unfinished game, but the debate about DLC isn't just about $8. Will we see bigger expansions like RCT3? Everybody can have their own opinions about what kind of DLC or updates we want, we won't all agree. Anyway, I think the Anniversary update will be great!

 

[DrowningStar]

My suggestion was this: Release the interior decor items and some basic spooky stuff (tombstones, skeletons, and spooky house building set) for free and leave the rest for a pack. I mean, thats essentially what RCT3 had at its base. I think what most people want is stuff to make legit interiors without having to handcraft everything out of a bunch of pieces (which slows your game down) and just a basic spooky theme to at least give players who maybe cannot afford or players who dont really want a giant spooky theme to work with.

I think thats a fare argument, in my opinion.