Why are the current CGs so one sided?

[Laszlo Plasma]

I love the fact that there is the moral quandary in the current story, but it's unfortunate that all the current CGs are in support of Salvation's dubious endeavors. Those that are opposed to Salvation's plan have nothing to do but wait and see what happens.

And yes I am aware of the Wych Hunt, but not everyone in the community is on Discord. Personally, I have limited time to spend on ED, and I rely on the in-game CGs to feel like I'm part of the story.

So what's the issue with creating a CG that is opposed to Salvation's plans?

LP

 

[Another rock-hopper]

This is the finale to the storyline and official CGs to oppose Salvation have been and gone.

 

[nemolomen]

This is the finale to the storyline and official CGs to oppose Salvation have been and gone.

A long time ago...how many months since the last one?

 

[Another rock-hopper]

A long time ago...how many months since the last one?

I'm not even sure tbh, I missed a fair few CGs and only came back this May; was all wrapped up before then

 

[Laszlo Plasma]

Sure I get that, but why have the current CGs at all then. Seems to me the only motivation is get get cash and loot. And it's ironic that Salvation is giving away AX weapons when the end goal is to wipe out the target entirely.

If this is the big finale, then I think there should be a way for everyone to participate in some way regardless of which side they're on. There's not much motivation to play the game if your just sitting around waiting for some big event to take place.

 

[nemolomen]

Sure I get that, but why have the current CGs at all then. Seems to me the only motivation is get get cash and loot. And it's ironic that Salvation is giving away AX weapons when the end goal is to wipe out the target entirely.

If this is the big finale, then I think there should be a way for everyone to participate in some way regardless of which side they're on. There's not much motivation to play the game if your just sitting around waiting for some big event to take place.

I'm going to take commodities for the current CG and jettison them all over the megaship...yesterday I did that with Biowaste....fines rack up for half an hour or so, but its really all I can do against it I think.

If you don't like that, maybe go do something else in game that you do like. I have no idea what your playstyle or level of progression is so hesitant to suggest anything more specific...

 

[LernanRuss]

Message from Mitterand tenant:

"There was enough anti-Salvation CGs, but cmdrs had choosen to ignore them - so now you must cope with "Salvation or nuffing" situation. Cmdrs had made that decission months ago".

End of message.

 

[Another rock-hopper]

You could join in the player made CG Here if you want to oppose it in some way, but honestly it's a game so ya gotta have something for players to do. Cash and loot are great incentives to join in too.

 

[Laszlo Plasma]

I'm going to take commodities for the current CG and jettison them all over the megaship...yesterday I did that with Biowaste....fines rack up for half an hour or so, but its really all I can do against it I think.

LOL very creative protest! If only there was a way to break open the Biowaste canisters all over the megaship ...

 

[Julian McCoy]

I love the fact that there is the moral quandary in the current story, but it's unfortunate that all the current CGs are in support of Salvation's dubious endeavors. Those that are opposed to Salvation's plan have nothing to do but wait and see what happens.

And yes I am aware of the Wych Hunt, but not everyone in the community is on Discord. Personally, I have limited time to spend on ED, and I rely on the in-game CGs to feel like I'm part of the story.

So what's the issue with creating a CG that is opposed to Salvation's plans?

LP

As mentioned above, we're currently hosting a player CG - and we're paying out more than the Salvation team, specifically due to the fact that the opposition has nothing to do. I lead the original anti-Salvation resistance movement and this is my successor campaign to once again get people involved and acknowledged by FDev.

 

[St0rmFury]

Players had their chance when Tanner wanted to bring Salvation into custody.

(I know FDev will most probably try to revert the outcome like the Sirius-Reorte conflict, but still)

 

[Julian McCoy]

Players had their chance when Tanner wanted to bring Salvation into custody.

(I know FDev will most probably try to revert the outcome like the Sirius-Reorte conflict, but still)

Again, still one sided and rigged in Salvation's favour.

 

[Ned Flandalorian]

Rigged how exactly? There were no rewards offered for that CG.

 

[Screemonster]

Rigged how exactly? There were no rewards offered for that CG.

Mainly? All the information that salvation was azimuth wasn't revealed until well after the decision-making CGs had already passed, so revealing that now is a bit of a "ha ha sucks to be you the playerbase has decided and now you have to live with it"

At the time, most of the storyline fluff was lined up to make it appear that Tanner (along with the players that generally didn't trust salvation) were a bunch of paranoid crazies that could smell something was up but didn't (and couldn't) have any concrete proof to justify their position, while Salvation was still lovebombing everyone with fancy toys.

If you just went by Galnet, it was very much lined up to look like salvation was the goodie (if perhaps playing his cards very close to his chest), picking up on the clues that he was shady required you to either be following the forums or to actually investigate the megaships and surface sites yourself, which most players don't do. Pair this with the tendency of the playerbase at large to side with the "good guy" regardless of whether the outcome is interesting or not, and you get this.

Does this mean the playerbase have been manipulated? Yes. Is this a good thing? Hell yes. For a start, even if they had to be tricked into it, it's nice to see "actually change the status quo in an interesting way" get supported in a CG. Let's have more of these. Let's have more CGs (and tie-in quests) that make it clear that HEY COMMANDER, GALNET LIES TO YOU.

Was it rigged? Maybe not in the sense of an uneven reward or unequal goals, but in the sense of playing on the well-established tendencies of the playerbase to support whoever's been set up as the hero of the story? Absolutely. And it's great.

 

[Ned Flandalorian]

So in other words, a lack of conviction. That's not rigging - people made their choice and these are the consequences.

 

[Another rock-hopper]

Anyone who still thought Salvation was the hero after the Cornsar Incident was not following the story particularly well, or didn't have any investment in it and just wanted to see what happened by choosing the mysterious nutjob with the superweapon.

Either way we're here now and to paraphrase a great man," That's the way she goes CMDRs".

 

[Oborax]

Well, I don't quite get all this p o l i t i k y f a f a r c e n g
so I think I'll join in with the monkeys - - - and fling poo at the megaship too !

 

[Laszlo Plasma]

Well, I don't quite get all this p o l i t i k y f a f a r c e n g
so I think I'll join in with the monkeys - - - and fling poo at the megaship too !

I foresee the inception of a new squadron ...

The Poop Brigade!
For a small fee (to cover collection and decontamination expenses, as well as delivery related fines) we'll dump poop all over the megaship, station or surface installation of your choice!

 

[Screemonster]

Anyone who still thought Salvation was the hero after the Cornsar Incident was not following the story particularly well, or didn't have any investment in it and just wanted to see what happened by choosing the mysterious nutjob with the superweapon.

Either way we're here now and to paraphrase a great man," That's the way she goes CMDRs".

I actually think the whole "aaa this is rigged the bad guys are winning because they offered a better toy" thing is funny as hell since we're getting to see whether or not the playerbase at large really will support their conscience no matter what when, yanno...

There's a shiny toy on the table.
Nobody will know if you just take it, and even if they know...
If nobody else takes the toy then it did no harm, right? You can't be judged for taking it.
If everyone else takes the toy then - everyone did it, you can't be judged for taking it.

I want to see more blatantly rigged CGs where the obvious bad guys are the ones offering a unique reward and the good guys are only offering your good conscience.
Let's see which side of the fence the noble commanders of the pilot's federation land upon.

 

[Julian McCoy]

I actually think the whole "aaa this is rigged the bad guys are winning because they offered a better toy" thing is funny as hell since we're getting to see whether or not the playerbase at large really will support their conscience no matter what when, yanno...

There's a shiny toy on the table.
Nobody will know if you just take it, and even if they know...
If nobody else takes the toy then it did no harm, right? You can't be judged for taking it.
If everyone else takes the toy then - everyone did it, you can't be judged for taking it.

I want to see more blatantly rigged CGs where the obvious bad guys are the ones offering a unique reward and the good guys are only offering your good conscience.
Let's see which side of the fence the noble commanders of the pilot's federation land upon.

We had that in places like Di Jian, with expected results.
People supported the NPC faction for the novelty AX missile launcher instead of the player faction.

The worst bit is: I'm involved with the player faction and the CG was just completely dumped on them with no warning, and they had no input in any rewards. We know collectively what reward we'd have asked for but nope, not even a hint from FDev it was coming.