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Why do bugs come back?
- Thread starter Kaocraft
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Happens on so many games. I always thought that the copy that the devs work on is taken from a specific point in time, possibly when bugs exist that are fixed while the update is still in progress. Then the update is rolled out and the bug fixes that happened during that span are suddenly no longer in the code.
Basically like this: You take an XML file, keep it for 3 months making a lot of changes. Meanwhile the "living document" is being updated. You upload the XML file you took along with all your changes and you lose that period of updates that occurred while you had the XML file.
Probably not happening that way, seems to easy to avoid.
Basically like this: You take an XML file, keep it for 3 months making a lot of changes. Meanwhile the "living document" is being updated. You upload the XML file you took along with all your changes and you lose that period of updates that occurred while you had the XML file.
Probably not happening that way, seems to easy to avoid.
I remember this gemOr, you know, they could have gone the way of that other space game. We could be in perpetual pre-alpha hell waiting for the developers to get everything "perfect".
There is also the case that we don't know whether the bug has come back. It could be a completely different bug, but from the outside looks the same as another that was fixed.
Bad source control, bad testing / lack of automated test scripts and / or bad software design are the usual causes. Probably a combination of them all.
Have a read up on the Software Crisis if you want some background on why some projects struggle. Even the most complex software systems can be built to be reliable, maintainable and relatively free of these sorts of issues. It boils down to treating your project as a software engineering problem, not a programming one and understanding what the difference between them is.
<edit> That sounds a bit pompous, even for me It's only a game and trends such as Agile development tend to encourage these sorts of errors - do something quick, get it out in front of customers, fix stuff later. Repeat. tbh that's fine for something like ED and with hindsight we'd all do something differently </edit>
Have a read up on the Software Crisis if you want some background on why some projects struggle. Even the most complex software systems can be built to be reliable, maintainable and relatively free of these sorts of issues. It boils down to treating your project as a software engineering problem, not a programming one and understanding what the difference between them is.
<edit> That sounds a bit pompous, even for me
It's only a game and trends such as Agile development tend to encourage these sorts of errors - do something quick, get it out in front of customers, fix stuff later. Repeat. tbh that's fine for something like ED and with hindsight we'd all do something differently </edit>
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Just hold your breath; the scope should zero out for a second and stop creeping - oh wait. >___>
LOL! +rep
One could argue that this current build is still in beta... then again I don't see the difference at the moment between the two (assuming you're talking about Star Citizen). And at least with SC the backers are the only ones feeling the effects of Roberts' perfectionist demeanor and not the casual player like ourselves.
No idea, this is the only game I have personally played where the bugs I have experienced come back. I'm sure if some games were listed off here I'd be able to say I played those games, but I probably didn't experience the bugs. I don't know, but some of them make me sad because some of them made me take breaks before and surely will again.
Let's all remember a few key things - Frontier is a $450,000,000 publicly traded company with supposedly 100+ working Elite. The level of near and game breaking bugs has gone Beyond absurd.
- "Leaving wing" showing when joining a wing - 2+ years
- NPCs on our assigned pads - 1 year
- Spawning inside another ship - 1 year
- Cargo hatch resets to priority 3 on respawn - 1 year
- Chieftain interdictor not lined up - since 3.0 beta
- Dav's Hope glitched and completely locking out console players
- Plotting when neutron boosted no longer defaults to boosted range
- Starport services menu no longer scroll-wraps to the left (does to the right)
- Scan data beacons on every log (although this is a good one)
- Community Goal markers don't show on galaxy map
- Stuck in supercruise jump/drop tunnel until crash
Oh and a big one - it seems Articulation Motors and Modular Terminals don't appear to be in the game since 3.0.3 launched. I and many others have searched high and low for them, specifically articulation motors for myself and they are absolutely nowhere to be found - much like exquisite focus crystals were over a year ago. No unlocking Qwent or some of the new technology modules.
And that's just what I can think of off the top of my head. It really seems like every build is 1 step forward and 3 steps back. I've worked in software development for many years and I've never personally seen a product like this - it really is like Frontier stopped playing Elite a long while back isn't it?
- "Leaving wing" showing when joining a wing - 2+ years
- NPCs on our assigned pads - 1 year
- Spawning inside another ship - 1 year
- Cargo hatch resets to priority 3 on respawn - 1 year
- Chieftain interdictor not lined up - since 3.0 beta
- Dav's Hope glitched and completely locking out console players
- Plotting when neutron boosted no longer defaults to boosted range
- Starport services menu no longer scroll-wraps to the left (does to the right)
- Scan data beacons on every log (although this is a good one)
- Community Goal markers don't show on galaxy map
- Stuck in supercruise jump/drop tunnel until crash
Oh and a big one - it seems Articulation Motors and Modular Terminals don't appear to be in the game since 3.0.3 launched. I and many others have searched high and low for them, specifically articulation motors for myself and they are absolutely nowhere to be found - much like exquisite focus crystals were over a year ago. No unlocking Qwent or some of the new technology modules.
And that's just what I can think of off the top of my head. It really seems like every build is 1 step forward and 3 steps back. I've worked in software development for many years and I've never personally seen a product like this - it really is like Frontier stopped playing Elite a long while back isn't it?
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Instead they have other problems and if they are more complex than Elite, then they also have more complex bugs. Maybe they are not so obvious.
Complex does not imply poorly structured. Poorly structured, however, does imply complex.