I would be happy if the debug cam was actually implemented with a bit of sense. Having to "fly" the debug camera around with my HOTAS is a very bad way to control it. I would much rather prefer if I could control the debug camera with a mouse.
Why no 3rd person?
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I would be happy if the debug cam was actually implemented with a bit of sense. Having to "fly" the debug camera around with my HOTAS is a very bad way to control it. I would much rather prefer if I could control the debug camera with a mouse.
Absolutely, I would love mouse controls for debug cam.
The Elite games have ALWAYS been a space simulation game where you are PILOTING a ship.
It's one of the main premises of the game.
Third person would in all honesty cheapen the experience.
If you do not like 1st person then perhaps this game is not for you and you should perhaps look into games like Galaxy on Fire II or the upcoming Everspace.
That said, yes, the debug camera could really use some love.
It's one of the main premises of the game.
Third person would in all honesty cheapen the experience.
If you do not like 1st person then perhaps this game is not for you and you should perhaps look into games like Galaxy on Fire II or the upcoming Everspace.
That said, yes, the debug camera could really use some love.
See that's the ting here. I do like the pilot view! I just don't understand why we can't have an option to steer in debug cam mode. I mean we still have the debug cam. Is that so horrible to have? Just because I want third person view doesn't mean I don't like first person view in Elite.
Why would an optional third-person view cheapen the experience for players who continue to use 1st person?
When you say stuff like that, some people feel it as a serious threat. [yesnod]
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the worry from some is that ED is meant to be played from your cockpit however if playing 3rd person gives an advantage then players may feel forced to use it to compete with others who may use it
(think of it like some fpsers where players use 3rd person view to peak around corners and what not...)
My gut feeling it is not playing in 3rd person OR 1st person which would be the problem.... after all each would potential have its drawbacks, however it is flip flopping between the 2 which would be very over powered. My only direct comparison is WarThunder........ you are mad to try to go head to head with 3rd person players from within your cockpit such is the huge advange you get from 3rd person.
1 suggestion has always been only allow it outside of combat, but what is combat? is the positioning yourself before a fight combat and if so how is the game to know?.
3rd person potentially breaks silent running as the MK1 eyeball in 1st person is hard to counter silent running, but 360 degree all seeing eye, not so much.
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I used to have a very strong opinion however since I no longer play in modes where PvP is allowed I do not really care, though it would potentially ruin CQC for me.
(think of it like some fpsers where players use 3rd person view to peak around corners and what not...)
My gut feeling it is not playing in 3rd person OR 1st person which would be the problem.... after all each would potential have its drawbacks, however it is flip flopping between the 2 which would be very over powered. My only direct comparison is WarThunder........ you are mad to try to go head to head with 3rd person players from within your cockpit such is the huge advange you get from 3rd person.
1 suggestion has always been only allow it outside of combat, but what is combat? is the positioning yourself before a fight combat and if so how is the game to know?.
3rd person potentially breaks silent running as the MK1 eyeball in 1st person is hard to counter silent running, but 360 degree all seeing eye, not so much.
For the record
I used to have a very strong opinion however since I no longer play in modes where PvP is allowed I do not really care, though it would potentially ruin CQC for me.
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Nevertheless FE2 had the view in the 3rd person
fair points but again - fps`s and War Thunder dont give you tools like 3d radar - it shows everything behind and around you - the "peaking around the corner" is already there in your pit in my opinion. Add the gimbal weapons to this and I bet I could fight with out windows in my ship.
Ok, that's different.
For that we could just remove all the HUD and targeting information as to not give any PVP advantages - Or at least remove it when combat is initiated (ie you attack or are attacked).
It would be nice for scenic flight.
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True - just as it had Newtonian inter-stellar flight and time-compression....
None of these have found their way into E: D.
Third person view would not be possible when hard points are deployed would fix the combat advantage. Also nothing of the ship's functions would be possible to use in third person. Just steering.
And CQC would not have this function at all so that is not a problem.
I like the idea but with an addition to that.
Whenever someone is INVOLVED in combat (Agressor or Victim) then 3rd person camera is disabled.
It would be kinda pointless if someone in a defensive posture simply do not use their weapons while running to gain a 3rd person advantage while the agressor do not.
Sure, nothing wrong with a preference. Likewise, having the option of a third person view kind of takes away from the experience Frontier want to focus players of the game around.
From a technical standpoint, even things such as game physics can be based on camera movement and position. Back when I played H.A.W.X, many of us very much didn't like the 3rd person view that was forced on us if we wanted to use more maneuverability while flying our jets, but the devs couldn't viably change it due to it being linked to the physics engine. I'm not saying that's necessarily the case here though, but there is more to think about than just what the game is at face value and what you'd want it to be.
The time compression was good, though. Great for immersion. Another thing lost due to ED being forcibly multiplayer.
FE2 also had great things like autopilot....
To be fair those things were sacrificed to make the game online (which has cost the game a great deal of believe-ability with little gain for me, but that's besides the point). This is not true of 3rd person however which, lets be honest, has absolutely nothing to do with multiplayer balance and everything to do with a misguided idea of artistic purity by the devs. An idea which costs the game
- Financially due to lost sales of skins.
- Playability due to the long periods flying around in space being much less interesting than it would be if you could enjoy the spectacle of your ship hurtling through supercruise (don't even mention the horror of a debug cam) or the fact that half the time the already limited variety of visual stuff is further cut down because from inside the cockpit you can't actually see it (stations while departing, stars while flying towards your destination after warping in, etc).
- Marketing due to youtubers having to struggle with the hideous debug cam to get any cinematic shots. A proper selection of external camera modes would spawn a whole new generation of awesome videos which would in turn help to bring new players to ED.
Frankly those reasons alone should be enough to override any concerns of multiplayer balance and the possibility to restrict the external cameras to solo, private group only could always be deployed to completely avoid an issue at all. As for the artistic purity... Well it's just nonsense isn't it, where is that purity in "Community Goals", Powerplay, Engineers, or a host of other gamey systems that dominate the game?
The time has come to accept that this was a bad idea from the outset, it's costing the game money, players and marketing and needs to be binned. Put one dev on external camera coding for a couple of days and profit.
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I understand the whole immersion factor playing from the cockpit, but why is there no 3rd person view option?
I doubt it's because of a design flaw, or the inability to provide a playable 3rd person perspective(seeing as there is an option to view your ship from that angle while in flight). I just don't understand why I can't play in 3rd person. Other than it would make fighting and landing a lot easier. We wouldn't want that, now would we...
Because that would really be fun. Unfortunately "fun" is not part of the game design.
I have no idea. Beats me. I shake my head whenever I think about it.
After a year or so I learned that heat and venting is modelled on the ships. You just don't get to see all the detail. It's either the crappy camera control hindering you or the game being too fast and dark to notice such things on enemy ships.
Sometimes I notice glowing beam laser scars on ships zipping by, that's pretty much it.
Why do they even go at length to make all the detail when it's barely noticeable?
After a year or so I learned that heat and venting is modelled on the ships. You just don't get to see all the detail. It's either the crappy camera control hindering you or the game being too fast and dark to notice such things on enemy ships.
Sometimes I notice glowing beam laser scars on ships zipping by, that's pretty much it.
Why do they even go at length to make all the detail when it's barely noticeable?
I agree. There are so many nicely modeled and animated things on our ships it is a waste not to be able to see it. Why would we even have commander creator if we can never see our faces?
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