Okay I will take that as an apology, graciously accepted.
Oh yes and what was that about not waiting and quickly editing posts, that's exactly what you just did. I really am chuckling here.
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Why no Standard Beta players allowed to play Horizons Beta?
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Okay I will take that as an apology, graciously accepted.
Oh yes and what was that about not waiting and quickly editing posts, that's exactly what you just did. I really am chuckling here.
FYI I never paid for WoW either, and all MMOs charge full price for the expacks, and they are just additions to the game, always have been. GW2 just sold a full priced addition, ESO sold the Imperial city at full price, FF14 sold Heavensward at upwards to 80 EUR. But hey, you don't want to hear about MMOs, so let's look at other things then, shall we:
BG: TotSC was sold at full price, so was the IWD expack. Both required the original game and added new content. Lucasarts charged full price for B-Wing expack for X-Wing, did the same with Defender of the Empire and Enemies of the Empire for Tie-fighter. All of those required the base game, and only added new missions and cutscenes.
So I think the price point is something only people cringe about who are used to the piecemeal dissected games of nowadays, for me it's a non issue.
As for the whole beta thing. People who bought standard beta bought the beta access to Elite Dangerous. Not Horizons, and not to any of the other seasons. Those who bought Premium Beta bought access to any season that might come out, and beta access to all of those. That's all there is to it. And it is well within their rights to charge for beta access to new seasons you buy separately, because the obligations were delivered by giving you beta access to every major version change in the original game. That's what you paid for, that is exactly what you get.
Not at all, not once did FD ever say standard beta would not allow into beta for the xpacs once you bought them. They never made it clear that xpac would require standard beta buyer to rebuy beta again for each xpac. They decided that like 8 months later.
As far as I am concerned they were disingenuous and that's all there is to it. This isn't what I paid for and I didn't get what I payed for. Problem is there too many brown nosers for FD to care.
It's not such a big deal to me though as I am not really interested in beta testing past just having a look for a day or so to see what I can expect when it goes live... I will however post what I feel happened when someone asks, "Why don't I have beta access with standard beta".
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Wait. I'm out of the loop about this subject.
When they were selling the 'standard beta' for the season one beta testing, was there a distinction between standard and premium betas?
In other words, when you bought your beta access, were they selling one 'the beta access' or were they selling 'standard beta' and 'premium beta'?
If it was the latter, what was the explanation of the difference between the two types of beta accesses being sold.
If it was just one 'beta' but then 8 months later they came up with 'premium beta' than it's disingenuous as you say. However if they were selling two levels of beta from the beginning, one 'standard' and one 'premium' there has to be a clear distinction between them and it shouldn't have been hard to understand.
So, which one was it, I'm genuinely curious because I'm a little late to the party and want to form a solid opinion.
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Hmm, would need to check the Kickstarter for that, if they indeed didn't say, then that is quite murky. Sadly the old standard beta disappeared from the store. Wonder if the waybackmachine can find it.
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Afaik both were present after they came out of the alpha stage. Premium Beta got access first, and it included all future seasons for 120 EUR. The Standard Beta was 80 EUR or so and only included the base game. They weren't exactly clear on the extent of the beta access though I think.
The Standard BETA was the retail price of the game +15 € on top afaik. The Premium BETA was 120 € on contrast. I honestly can not understand why people are now upset about this. Premium BETA backers took a risk in spending so much money upfront. Thats why they got all the benefits like the alpha backers. Standard BETA players didnt, so they dont get as much. Simple?
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brought the game preorder and paid for beta access... worth every cent for all the entertainment and enjoyment it has given me, when they announced horizons beta and put the LEP in the store, at the same time as horizons beta preorder I brought the LEP, I saw it as an investment in this game I enjoy so much...
OP Sorry it did not 'live up to your expectations' but they are your expectations, I don't think (apart from probably offline mode) nothing that has been released this first year has been unannounced or super surprising, and they have stated numerous times on live stream and in the forums some of what the next season holds and some of what will come in future seasons...
i was a little miffed initially when i realised that the beta I brought was only for the first season but I got over it pretty quickly... FDev have made much more out of me with merchandise, and paintjobs than the purchase of the game and the LEP... I happily support them for I am not quite so pessimistic about their vision or the future of the game as some...
Give it time, you will find content you enjoy...
OP Sorry it did not 'live up to your expectations' but they are your expectations, I don't think (apart from probably offline mode) nothing that has been released this first year has been unannounced or super surprising, and they have stated numerous times on live stream and in the forums some of what the next season holds and some of what will come in future seasons...
i was a little miffed initially when i realised that the beta I brought was only for the first season but I got over it pretty quickly... FDev have made much more out of me with merchandise, and paintjobs than the purchase of the game and the LEP... I happily support them for I am not quite so pessimistic about their vision or the future of the game as some...
Give it time, you will find content you enjoy...
This was all before the game went live. Back then you could buy alpha which included the whole nine yards so to speak, you got in alpha you got LTP beta access mercenary pre order perks ..all of it.
Premium beta was you got in betas AND didn't have to pay for xpac (you got LTP)
Standard beta you got into beta but would have to pay for xpacs.
Now here's the thing beta access wasn't tied to LTP till 8 months later, they never ever warned us standard wouldn't let us have access to beta, and believe me there was thread after thread after thread asking about what each "package" included and meant.. Note back then we were suppose to have xpacs not "seasons".
They changed pricing around later on and stopped selling LTP and way farther down the line announced beta access was tied to LTP itself and that it wasn't in fact two separate entities.
They also changed their website pages and modified some of the wording. There was equal confusion concerning beta perks and mercenary perks.
The mercenary package and perks were simply for pre ordering, if you had standard beta you automatically got the mercenary edition and other perks.
Hell I think we are still waiting on one of the standard beta tier and higher perks.
Not hard to wonder why they decided to go this way... I firmly believe LTP wasn't selling all that well and it needed more "value" or people needed more incentive to buy it....
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There seems to be a cause for confusion here.
It looks like standard beta would have access to future betas but would have to pay for expansions when they are released.
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Exactly that.
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Unlike you, I think it's pretty clear what it means. It means exactly what it says. All the beta development stages.
People have every right to be upset. Nowhere it says 'All the development stages of season 1'.
I think this should be complained directly to the support by the standard beta purchasers with this picture as evidence. This is a negative point for FD in my book if they don't reconsider on this occasion.
No word about xpacs means all BETA stages from ED 1.0.
Looks clear enough to me, says Elite dangerous beta access and that's what people have (had).
Horizons is a new season and requires Elite Dangerous to work but is not Elite Dangerous, its possibly one of the things they considered when deciding on the naming conventions in the first place.
As has been pointed out, you take a risk when you back a game early, one risk is it might never get made, another is that you have no idea what it's future holds.
Let me correct you here it says, "ALL THE BETA DEVELOPMENT STAGES".
It doesn't say beta for just this initial beta stage or just this beta stage. Nor does it say future xpac beta not included. Note it also says "single player and multiplayer"....
SP was dropped discarded as well...but I digress....
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No real need to tell me, as I went for the premium beta, because it included all seasons, and hunting down DLCs has become a chore (I'm looking at you, Borderlands 2). But I would argue that it's completely clear. It might be implied that it only talks about the initial release, but I can't fault people for thinking otherwise, as it says "all" beta development stages. But at this point in time, not much can be done about semantics, I give you that.
ED had several BETA stages in development as you might know. No one was talking about future xpacs back then. How anyone can assume any obligations by frontier regarding xpacs from this text is unclear to me.
Not to throw it out there but arguably it's a seperate product.
You have Elite Dangerous
And now you have Elite Dangerous: Horizons.
It's like trying to say because you bought the original Call of Duty Lifetime pass you should get Call of Duty: Modern Warfare too. It's only because it's building from the base game instead of putting a new wallpaper up every year that's confusing people.
You have Elite Dangerous
And now you have Elite Dangerous: Horizons.
It's like trying to say because you bought the original Call of Duty Lifetime pass you should get Call of Duty: Modern Warfare too. It's only because it's building from the base game instead of putting a new wallpaper up every year that's confusing people.
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Lets take your reasoning, "No one was talking about future xpacs back then" which is part of the problem you see.
They either didn't know how they were going to handle beta access yet, changed their minds how beta access was going to work or didn't bother to correct people that posted on the forums about the different packages ad nauseum, if it's indeed an honest misunderstanding.
It's indeed all water under the bridge now but it really stinking annoys me when people come on threads like this one and practically attack people like the OP that are little confused and say stuff like.
Stop whinging
stop feeling so entitled
stop being cheap
it was clear what you bought so stop bellyaching
so on and so forth.
Welp this was the last one from me...tis now 7am and I need to make my son breaky before I walk him to the school bus stop.
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