Why side with Torval in a slave revolt? The cruisers are more valuable to kill

Cruisers are more valuable to kill, unless of course you absent mindedly park your ship inside a Federal Cruiser, in a Federation system, while a senior Federation officer in a Viper (me, in this case), is passing through.

[video=youtube;fBCs6QyiayE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBCs6QyiayE[/video]

Never assume a 50k reward is adequate motivation, or that being next to six other equally inattentive people is adequate protection.
 
I lost nothing at all. I read it, and in essence it boils down to "each their own".

Good, the point was that you read it. I mean, if it wasn't for pirates there would be no bounty hunters, so jerks do hold a place in the game. I like the game being less jerky. A healthy balance, that's why I only antagonize pirates. (And slavers, because reasons).
 
uuuuuuuuuhm.... you warp into a system with that damn cruiser and you tell me if you're singing the same tune... (if i had the nerve to side against the imperials i probably would, i don't think anyone really cares about the story.)
 
uuuuuuuuuhm.... you warp into a system with that damn cruiser and you tell me if you're singing the same tune... (if i had the nerve to side against the imperials i probably would, i don't think anyone really cares about the story.)

Then there's really no point to the game. Most of the game is about collectively creating a story.
 
Do any of you have a lifetime loan for a house? Giant student loans to repay? Have to work every day and month after month can't save much - and as such are terrified of quitting your terrible jobs?
Then you are imperial slaves. Or have it worse.
 
I wouldn't side With Torval, 'cause she is (quote) "Torval is a horrible, twisted old lady. We have no beggars or people going hungry on the streets as they are down HER mines working their fingers to the bone, starving in private!""

Who likes horrible twisted old ladies?
 
This thread seems more fantastical than the time in a game when I had my skin peeled off and was turned into a paranoid introverted snakeman.
 
Slavery within the Empire is about honour: Here is the Lore behind it.

Imperial society is based on a "cliens" system - much like ancient Rome - and strictly stratified, with people being able to move between strata based on money, patronage and influence. It values both status and honour very highly. Whilst it is acceptable to flaunt wealth, treating people well is a question of honour - and this includes slaves. Having an unpaid debt is seen as utterly dishonourable - an honourable Imperial citizen would sell themselves into slavery to clear a debt they couldn't otherwise afford.

It's the dirty federation you need to watch,

The media drives a culture of celebrity. Top ranking politicians, social commentators, entertainers and super-rich all command a great deal of media attention. This provides a massive distraction for the populace, to the extent that foreign wars conducted by the Federation on their behalf get little media attention. This has gone on for many hundreds of years, and there is no sign of it changing.

Sound familiar?
 
The fact that at the upper echelons people do some dirty, rotten things, still belays the important fact that everyone needs friends. No raging jerk can come into power without other people to support them. Misanthropes don't get ahead. Maybe in some places they do, but in the vast majority of the world, being a nice but self-capable person will end up getting you a better life. Because of business ties, new ideas, all kinds of things. We're a communitarian, tribal species. All of our advantages and tendencies, forged by evolution, and specially adapted to suit our particular circumstances. Our vastly powerful vocal centers. Opposable thumbs. Walking upright. Best throwing arm in the Mammal world. Incredibly elaborate social understanding. An absolute dependency on other human beings for survival. An 18 year childhood. The myth that being a jerk will get you ahead ignores reality. Most misanthropes are left alone and friendless after awhile. Bad reputations and people don't go near them. They sit in a pit of their own nastiness, it's really just pathetic. If you screw over the people close to you, you will suffer. Period. Do a bad job at work? Get fired. Cheat on your wife? Divorce. Cheat with somebody else's wife? Get shot. Steal from people close to you? They push you away and tell everyone you know. Jerks only get ahead as far as they have friends. They might still be jerks, but if they have a huge pile of money or a bunch of guns, they're basically insulated from the ramifications of their bad behavior, at least temporarily. If that's what you mean, well, I mostly agree with you. But plenty of people do it by being consistent, honest, and with integrity, and they get far ahead.

People like reliable people. Good people get ahead by virtue of being appreciated and valued. People think well of them, and they put their opinions and thoughts into consideration. Nice people and reliable people have an open ear with people they've nurtured good relationships with.

If you look at a workplace where the employees are well appreciated and paid, they actually work harder and stay longer. Minimizing training costs, and maximizing profit margins. There is a whole lot of data on the subject, and it's absolutely true.

The real fact of it is, playing as a jerk (or a trope) to me is something I don't want to see. I want to see the best game environment that I can. Jerks suck, and I want them to suffer so that they can't profit from it. That requires players though to encourage that. I'm aiming to encourage good conduct, because I think it makes for a more enjoyable game for everyone. Myself included.

I've played evil characters before. Most of the time though it hurts your game. It alienates you, and there's always some backstabbing (even backstabbing the party or not sharing loot is a stupid trope, because it's completely overdone. It's the most common one. The evil character always just makes everyone else have a worse time, because they screw up and alienate themselves.) I've also played evil characters with a very interesting story, whose real motivations were as insurrectionists, or real, honest to god psychos. Once a hidden cult leader, that was fun. I've played it, tried it, it's not for me. Because it leads to fights, time wasting, and a lot of the time you just get killed off. As is appropriate.

But at this point I just don't play evil characters. And my characters definitely aren't saps. I'm usually able to out-think and predict what my GM was going to do, and I adjust accordingly. In D&D terms, I tended towards playing a high-intelligence rogue (either TWF or an Arcane trickster type) who was cold and ready to kill, but never an evil, malicious guy. Though definitely an assassin. Fantastic assassin. Best assassin I've ever played. I like an environment where I can out-think and surprise my opponents. I'm definitely well versed with the cloak and dagger.

As ED is a sandbox, I play with honor and integrity because that will create the environment for everyone else. Most player interactions should be positive. By doing that, others will feel comfortable to do the same, and then everyone, collectively has more fun. There's a big difference between getting player interdicted once in a while, and it happening all the time. It poisons the game for people, it ticks them off, and they act differently as a result. I can only prevent that by not being a jerk, and by hunting jerks.

What I got from this is either that you are very young (20 or under) or very naive about how the world really works.
 
Lots of posts now, didn't read them all, but to the OP:

I have a job (and a half) and I study. I pay my taxes, I don't have a criminal record - not even points on my driving licence.

Thats life. E : D is a game, there are no repercussions outside of the game, so why not do something different to how RL is spent? Why support the Empire and slavery? Because I spend the rest of my life living in Sol being a good girl (mostly, relatively ...) and I fancy a change of scenery ;) Hail the Emperor.

Nah, its for the lolz and credz.
 
What I got from this is either that you are very young (20 or under) or very naive about how the world really works.


Heh. Actually I've seen worse than most, late 20s, and I've had more success in my life than most people have had by this point. What I'm talking about works very well, trial and experience. I doubt you've seen life as hard as I have (though who knows, maybe you've known more people who have died, or had your family murdered or been sexually abused or something. I bet that could be worse.) And I do very well for myself at this point in my life. I've got a lot of experience, people can count on me, and it pays off immeasurably.

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Lots of posts now, didn't read them all, but to the OP:

I have a job (and a half) and I study. I pay my taxes, I don't have a criminal record - not even points on my driving licence.

Thats life. E : D is a game, there are no repercussions outside of the game, so why not do something different to how RL is spent? Why support the Empire and slavery? Because I spend the rest of my life living in Sol being a good girl (mostly, relatively ...) and I fancy a change of scenery ;) Hail the Emperor.

Nah, its for the lolz and credz.

*Chortle! At least you're being honest!
 
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