Why so much negativity?

[Dabba]

Just acknowledging a chuckleworthy exchange and giving a fair bit of advice to Armour who seems like he probably spends most of his time around reasonable and intellectual people, dealing with this other element can be a bit of a culture shock to those who aren't used to them. No reason to get your knickers twisted over it. If the shoe doesn't fit feel free to discard it, and if it does then wear it with whatever pride you can muster.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Someone never played EVE Online or X3 did he?
You can have a POS in both of the games.

And its an RTS because one wants the ability to join a fleet with friends/corp mates and do massive warfare taking over territory?

So the goal of Elite is: Singleplayer ghosttown 3.0
Event though its advertised as an MMO... yet has no MMO features.

Nope, the goal is Elite: Dangerous, as defined in development plans for the last 2 years. Its not really MMO yet, and not sure it ever will be (despite what their marketing keep calling it). However, we can expect new MP tools in the coming months.

And you are right, i never played Eve, never appealed to me, but its totally not germane to the discussion here, its a different game. They are not trying to make an Eve clone. X3 might be closer, and I did play that. To be honest i found it worse than X2 and I did play all the X series with a passion up to X3... but again, they are not trying to make X either. Its their own game with their own direction.

They sooner you understand that and start experiencing the game FD are making, instead of trying to experience the game you want it to be, the happier you will be.

 

[Armour]

Im not here to argue, nor did I call you any names. I simply pointed out a phenomena. I begged pardon for my misunderstanding yet you seem to want the moral 'high ground'. I am no philosopher, and haven't heard the term. If you feel I placed you in the camp, that is on you. Please continue to belittle and discredit me, I'm on board for all the LOL's I can get.

I'm not trying to belittle anyone. Everyone has a different knowledge base, and the fact that my responses are filtered through my own set of "stuff I know" is not superior/inferior to anyone doing similar. It's not pretentious in the least. I'm sorry that you didn't know the cod philosophy thing, same as I'm sure you have employed knowledge/jargon/turns of phrase common to your experience that caused someone confusion in the past (or will do in the future). Can we all move on now?

I think a lot of people have some valid (if not exactly original and/or valuable) points, but express them with such a tone of outrage and apoplexy that their posts end up looking like parody rants. That's negativity to me.

What do they hope to achieve? If they want the game to improve, casting a cloud over it's head with endless portents of doom, and/or casting those they want to improve it as liars/cheat/thieves/etc, are both odd ways to go about encouraging that improvement to happen. If they've given up on it as a bad lot, then why stick around, unless they want to try and ensure that failure? And if that's the case, then they have a healthy ego to think they have that level of influence. Either way, such stock criticisms are worth very little, and indicate more about the misconceptions of the poster than the flaws of the product they mistakenly bought.

 

[Ghostickles]

Meh, Dabba, you poked with a stick where you thought it would go over nicely, you display cowardice at the lowest level and have shown contempt for players with different tastes in many of your other posts. This, in my book, makes you worth very little as far as intelligent discourse.
Your 'fair' advice was name calling and character attack, so please don't start backpedalling. Own it like a real man. Im fine with it.

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I'm not trying to belittle anyone. Everyone has a different knowledge base, and the fact that my responses are filtered through my own set of "stuff I know" is not superior/inferior to anyone doing similar. It's not pretentious in the least. I'm sorry that you didn't know the cod philosophy thing, same as I'm sure you have employed knowledge/jargon/turns of phrase common to your experience that caused someone confusion in the past (or will do in the future). Can we all move on now?

I think a lot of people have some valid (if not exactly original and/or valuable) points, but express them with such a tone of outrage and apoplexy that their posts end up looking like parody rants. That's negativity to me.

What do they hope to achieve? If they want the game to improve, casting a cloud over it's head with endless portents of doom, and/or casting those they want to improve it as liars/cheat/thieves/etc, are both odd ways to go about encouraging that improvement to happen. If they've given up on it as a bad lot, then why stick around, unless they want to try and ensure that failure? And if that's the case, then they have a healthy ego to think they have that level of influence. Either way, such stock criticisms are worth very little, and indicate more about the misconceptions of the poster than the flaws of the product they mistakenly bought.

Different paths to the same end. Seconded.

 

[Drunk Si]

Just acknowledging a chuckleworthy exchange and giving a fair bit of advice to Armour who seems like he probably spends most of his time around reasonable and intellectual people, dealing with this other element can be a bit of a culture shock to those who aren't used to them.

Why so much negativity indeed. All the negativity I've seen on here is from people like this.

I might say "There's no content there, there's a huge amount of potential but at present the release game is just a handful of repetitive tasks and that's it" well a critique isn't inherently negative. The people that immediately jump down your throat with comments like the above is negativity. The people with the "well, I don't find it boring and I like it just the way it is so sod off console boy" or whatever are the real source of negativity, not the people who have paid for the game, see the potential but simply state that it's lacking at the moment.

There's this thread, there's the "dust settles" thread and you have people bemoaning the fact that they haven't got access to a private forum. Why, so you can all hold hands and say

"I just flew to alpha centauri and sold some gold, I had a lot of fun"

"Me too, I also had fun".

How boring.

I might list all the reasons I think the game is devoid of content and the response is a couple of arsey comments as if by critiquing a game they love I have critiqued the person themselves for their tastes or something. You say "enlighten me, oh wise one, what magnificent castles have you built?" because someone keeps saying "I'm alright mate, don't know what your problem is" "I'm alright, I make plenty of content for myself, don't know what your problem is" without ever really expanding on that beyond "yeah, I'm alright mate" and what you get is some random tirade about them not being a liar and a few people blatantly calling you stupid.

Some elements of the Elite community have mistaken themselves for an elite cabal.

 

[lilikin]

The truth is the game isn't perfect there is some missing content to make it feel complete and there is a lot of technical issues

The game is a damn sight better than a lot of games I have played in the past at release and that seems to be the way games are released these days unfortunately

Elite Fanbois VS some very disappointed customers breeds hyperbole

 

[DarkWalker]

Different mix.

Some are negative because they wanted Elite to be (insert other game) 2.0.
Some are negative because players in (insert other game) left for Elite.
Some are negative because they fear its sucess will make (insert other game) irrelevant in its future release.

There is also the fact some of the game's promised features were cut, such as offline mode. Every time a player that purchased the game for the offline mode encounters any of the issues with the online model (such as disconnections) or misses a feature that offline should have provided (such as being able to pause the game), it builds negativity.

I'm included in this statistic; I'm still very bitter about offline being removed, so for the time being (and the foreseeable future) I'm more or less unable to say anything good about the game.

 

[Armour]

I'm still very bitter about offline being removed, so for the time being (and the foreseeable future) I'm more or less unable to say anything good about the game.

Ah. That would make me stop posting. I wouldn't want to be the dumped ex at a dinner party, poisoning the atmosphere with bad vibes. Even though I can see how that might appeal to someone who has that bitterness inside, it just says to me that any opinions expressed by that person will have an agenda attached and should probably be taken with a pinch of salt.