I really wouldn't be surprised if the griefers on PS4 got bored and moved on. I ran latest CG for a few hours in Open yesterday, and it was just me and a few other Anacondas and one Corvette, but the Vette was bounty hunting, not PvPing. There was even a guy running a shieldless Conda - now that's someone serious about credits-per-run!
Why the hate for playing in open?
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I really wouldn't be surprised if the griefers on PS4 got bored and moved on. I ran latest CG for a few hours in Open yesterday, and it was just me and a few other Anacondas and one Corvette, but the Vette was bounty hunting, not PvPing. There was even a guy running a shieldless Conda - now that's someone serious about credits-per-run!
Its always variable - i guess it depends when the griefers are allowed by mummy to play...
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I ran into a griefer yesterday in the system with the bounty hunting CG, so they're still out there.
Drat! What were they flying?
But what do each of us class as a griefer?
To some, myself included, a griefer is somebody who, either alone or with friends, attack the same player over and over. To others, a griefer might be somebody who simply pulls you out of SC, scans you and demands cargo, before either attacking or departing, and then are never seen again by the victim.
In Elite Dangerous I do believe that in Open anything goes, but with a caveat: if you attack and defeat a player, that’s it. You leave that player alone should you see him again. You got him once, you proved how much greater a player you are, now move on and find somebody who is actually able to defend themselves, or, as the old saying goes, find somebody your own size.
If I get pulled out of SC by a player who demands cargo from me, and I decide to fight, and he gives me a bloody nose, then that is not griefing; that is fair play. But if the same griefer attacks the same player time and time again, then that is bullying and therefore true griefing. That is, unless, the victim, really doesn’t mind the constant attacks. Perhaps he would see it as experience, education and training.
Well, that’s just my opinion anyway.
To some, myself included, a griefer is somebody who, either alone or with friends, attack the same player over and over. To others, a griefer might be somebody who simply pulls you out of SC, scans you and demands cargo, before either attacking or departing, and then are never seen again by the victim.
In Elite Dangerous I do believe that in Open anything goes, but with a caveat: if you attack and defeat a player, that’s it. You leave that player alone should you see him again. You got him once, you proved how much greater a player you are, now move on and find somebody who is actually able to defend themselves, or, as the old saying goes, find somebody your own size.
If I get pulled out of SC by a player who demands cargo from me, and I decide to fight, and he gives me a bloody nose, then that is not griefing; that is fair play. But if the same griefer attacks the same player time and time again, then that is bullying and therefore true griefing. That is, unless, the victim, really doesn’t mind the constant attacks. Perhaps he would see it as experience, education and training.
Well, that’s just my opinion anyway.
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I define a griefer as someone interested in creating what they call "salt".
Ship names like "god of salt" or "bringer of salt" and the like are a 100% sign of a griefer personality.
Apart from that I despise attacking vessels which have no chance to win a fight against my vessel as in combat-that-is-not-decided-by-skill-but-predetermined. Why? Because it's a nuisance for the ones attacked that are able to run away and killing-for-the-pleasure-of-inflicted-pain on the ones that don't know how to run away.
In other words: Being attacked by an Ex-member-of-a-well-known-Newbie-Protector-Group at Eravate. He's using a maxxed out killer Conda and I'm in a class 4 shield passenger python. That is bullying, not "playing a game".
Ship names like "god of salt" or "bringer of salt" and the like are a 100% sign of a griefer personality.
Apart from that I despise attacking vessels which have no chance to win a fight against my vessel as in combat-that-is-not-decided-by-skill-but-predetermined. Why? Because it's a nuisance for the ones attacked that are able to run away and killing-for-the-pleasure-of-inflicted-pain on the ones that don't know how to run away.
In other words: Being attacked by an Ex-member-of-a-well-known-Newbie-Protector-Group at Eravate. He's using a maxxed out killer Conda and I'm in a class 4 shield passenger python. That is bullying, not "playing a game".
Another term I've seen in the forum is "murder hobo", which perhaps better defines the type of player that causes me to switch over to Mobius if they are in a system I'm working. These are players with ridiculously engineered killing machines who pull anyone and everyone out of SC and instantly open fire and obliterate any and all targets for the "lulz". It may be fair gameplay, but so is switching to Mobius or Solo when these blokes are lurking around.
When I (Jenny) PvP, it's for PowerPlay, and I purposefully use cheaper, faster ships like Vipers, Eagles, and sometimes my Vulture. I've even done some PvP against other transports using my old Type-6 with dumbfire missiles, back when the CG was at Arissa's headquarters. Now that I thought was LOL funny, and I'm pretty sure my targets were gobsmacked when my humble Type-6 brought their hulls down to 20% before they could jump!
When I (Jenny) PvP, it's for PowerPlay, and I purposefully use cheaper, faster ships like Vipers, Eagles, and sometimes my Vulture. I've even done some PvP against other transports using my old Type-6 with dumbfire missiles, back when the CG was at Arissa's headquarters. Now that I thought was LOL funny, and I'm pretty sure my targets were gobsmacked when my humble Type-6 brought their hulls down to 20% before they could jump!
To me, a griefer is someone who kills you with an overpowered ship, while you have a ship that is'nt even equipped to fight, and you have no cargo, no bounty, no affiliation to PP, and they attack you without warning. Basically, someone who just thinks it's fun to kill defenseless victims. A bit like a bully at middle school that would beat up smaller kids just because he could.
If it's a pirate, he/she would warn, ask for cargo, and then attack, just like the NPC pirates, that's different. And if it's PP or if there's a bounty on you, then it's open season, free to shoot. That's not griefing. That's part of the game.
But when there's no reason at all... and the battle is extremely uneven from start, then it's just senseless and shows bad attitude towards the game itself. It's basically a coward who doesn't want to fight fair, but picks on the weak and defenseless, for no other reason than to satisfy his/her lulz.
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I don't remember now. I do know that they were above my rank and didn't bother scanning for cargo (didn't have any) or warrants (just paid one off at the station). I want to say they were in a Fer-de-Lance though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer
A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and angers other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways. A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals. This creates a strong division between griefing and cheating, since cheating is done with intent of winning the game and thus is discouraged by in-game penalties.
A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and angers other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways. A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals. This creates a strong division between griefing and cheating, since cheating is done with intent of winning the game and thus is discouraged by in-game penalties.
i feel bad for anyone who only plays solo. your missing out on alot of great cmdrs out there. sure there is the odd gank crew around a cg. but there are alot of comanders that just wana wing up to help eachother out. i was scared of open for a long time. for the most part people leave ya alone or just wana play around. ive even met pirates that were cool. a legit pirate who uses hatch breaking limpets and disables your ship without killing u is something to be seen. prity fun too when they dont just kill u. one let me go to a station so i could get a cargo hold and give him cargo lol. dont give up on open.
im a bounty hunter i interdict u then tell u to stop wile i scan. if u run i shoot. probly means youve don something wrong. if u stop and scans show nothing i let u go with a fly safe 07. if you have a bounty over 40k ill tell u your criminal scum and about to be melted. but if people say please and arent toxic ill let them go even with a bounty. but rude people whel they get boiled and coroded. and comanders stop flying without reebuy. expesialy if your wanted lol.
Actually, there's plenty of cmdrs who play in Solo because the don't want to meet other players. I know, it sounds strange that a large group of human beings are introvert and want peace and quiet. I know people who hangs on their phones to facebook, texting, and all these social medias that I can't even remember the names of, but some people aren't like that. For me, Facebook is annoying. Texts disrupt me. And being alerted in the game while I'm busy doing my own thing because someone wants to talk, isn't what I want.
So I don't think people like me are missing out on the social kumbaya. Some of us do like the solitude in space.
I actually play Open in my other account, but not for socializing or wing up or multi-crew or CQC or PvP or ... but rather because I think it's cool to have the challenge of maybe getting attacked by someone. So the challenge is... to survive undetected and not being killed. So, no, some people don't avoid Open because of the killing, but because they don't want to socialize.
But that being said, when I do exploration and come back to the bubble, I don't want to chance getting interdicted by an interdick, so I go Solo to avoid the risk of losing all that exploration data (I've found rare stars, planets, black holes, and more, and wouldn't want to lose the name-tag on those systems).
Another thing too, I'm actually are going to be a pirate on the other account. So there might be some PvP coming even from me.
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This can have nothing to do with being introverted as well.
That said I would not take offense if someone tried to kill me for no other reason than mirth.
I bought the game with that understanding.
A review I read even said something like "...this game hates you..."
Sign me up!
ya ps4 is still vergin space though. not nearly the amount of engineerd super ships on the ps4. when the cg is only cutters and corvettes things go sideways fast in a haz rez. pc players have it ruff sometimes. xbox too.
Interesting question.
Normally, the definition of griefer (not game-specific) is hmm… a person who wants to make others angry/frustrated/annoyed.
It may come in many different forms (depending on game). Noobhunting. Joining a team-PvP and killing members of own team. Purposely using extremely bad internet connection to introduce lag to other players. Abuse of visual-heavy abilities in crowded area.
All it have one thing in common. The main (and often only) reason for griefer to play the game is to ruin it for someone else.
Fair PvP is NOT griefing. Even unfair PvP (such as pirate attack against trader) is OK when it stays within reason. Silently destroying that trader without even trying to contact him or demand cargo (which is the point of pirate attack) is not.
When the only reason for over-engineered corvette to attack and destroy weaponless explorer is that “noob’s tears are delicious” it IS griefing.
Using mines in station interior, ramming ships in “mail-slot” with shieldless eagle and so on IS griefing.
At least it is how I understand the term “griefer” in this game.
i love open 90% of the time eveyone gets along. a haz rez at a cg can be kind of scetchy sometimes but what do u expect. dont become wanted lol. if u do ruuuuun. and then switch to solo or pg. i have met waaay to many cool comanders though to not play open. solo if great to play wile u lern the game. elite is known for haveing a huge lerning curve. lerning to fly a ship properly is huuuuge. everyone likes to think there a good pilot but.. 70% are not. if u think the mailslot is hard to get through... your not a good pilot. everyship flys difrent some you fly with thrusters others with throtle some with boath. some turn great with boost some lag and drift. useing your ships disadvantages as an advantadge. like drifting around enimys. dont fight the drift go with it use it. plan for it.
I switch to solo when I need a medium pad at an outpost and can't get one. Theoretically, if someone was camping out and killing me every time I tried to take off I'd switch to solo for a while after the third time, but I've never experienced "grief" from another player.
Sensitive people always die a thousand deaths and turn molehills into mountains. One or two bad experiences and it's "every time". Then words like neanderthal get thrown around to feed my ignore list.
Not enough disappointments to put video game death in perspective, I guess.
If I could live life in solo, I'd do that though. Can't stand riding the bus. People are worse in real life and NPCs would be predictably less backstabbing and narcissistic.
Sensitive people always die a thousand deaths and turn molehills into mountains. One or two bad experiences and it's "every time". Then words like neanderthal get thrown around to feed my ignore list.
Not enough disappointments to put video game death in perspective, I guess.
If I could live life in solo, I'd do that though. Can't stand riding the bus. People are worse in real life and NPCs would be predictably less backstabbing and narcissistic.
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Another reason why I like Solo is because I tend to get interrupted at home quite a bit. I started the game 10 min ago, and had to leave 10 seconds later, and I know that if I'm in Open and get into PvP, exiting the game is cheating and called combat logging, and I don't like to cheat. But in Solo, there's no risk of being considered a cheater by exiting the game constantly. And it's not a fun thing to being stuck in a dog fight and having to leave it.
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