Why we NEED the California sea lion

tigris115

tigris115
Alright, so we all know that people want the California sea lion. But I'm here to tell you all why we NEED it. Like actually need it, so help me God

1. Common as all hell in zoos. In Europe (according to Zootierliste), 92 collections hold California sea lions and in America, they're in several major zoos and aquariums including all 5 WCS parks in NYC.

2. Super unique: I know we already have the grey seal but the California sea lion is very different in terms of how it moves, being able to actually walk on the land. Not to mention, the way they undulate in the water is beautiful to behold and would be a treat to see in any zoo.

3. Heavily requested: Goes without saying but I think the California sea lion is one of the most heavily requested species out there, aside from some like the capybara
 

DarthQuell

DarthQuell
Plus the fact that it was in both ZT games, so not only is it a World famous animal but many casual players will get nostalgic
 

12344321

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It SHOULD have been in the aquatic pack.

Now for North America we basically need an animal pack to cover all the missing species.
(Ex: cougar, moose, beaver, alligator, sea lion, wolverine, musk ox, elk, black bear)
 

KönigDerKaffeebohnen

K
No it shouldnt have been in the aquatic pack. The seal was the right choice, cause as you might have noticed, that packs main priority besides introducing diving, was to round out some of their previous packs, to more evenly distrubuit the animals. I doubt anyone has trouble understanding why south america gets some little croco and their otter before the at that point (and still lol) way better represented asia would have gotten an otter or africa their little dweeny croc. Choosing an animal, that lives both in europe and north america, aswell as synergieses well with the underrepresented arctic, was a great choice by frontier. You can argue that the harbour seal would have been better, but thats a whoule other discussion
 
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12344321

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I would instead argue it seemed like everybody who plays this game was very vocal about how badly they wanted Sea Lion's in the game.

Meanwhile, NOBODY was asking for harbor seals....

So all that talk about synergizing Europe, North America and Arctic...you lost me, I don't feel that way, I doubt the community did. Instead it seemed like the community really wanted a highly requested aquatic animal and it never happened.
 

Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
12344321 said:
Meanwhile, NOBODY was asking for harbor seals....

So all that talk about synergizing Europe, North America and Arctic...you lost me, I don't feel that way, I doubt the community did.
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You spelled my name wrong, there is no "nobody" in it. And I'm part of this community. And in fact, I saw many people requesting the harbour seal.

@KönigDerKaffeebohnen is right, leaving the sea lion out was a clever Business decision. Any pack with it in it will sell like sliced bread.

Including deep diving into the game probably cost a lot of resources (time and programmers work) that translate into money. And even though you think the packs are expensive: they are not. And they are what keeps the support of this game alive which is, and that's the one thing we agree on, something we want and appreciate.
So, to get revenue out of deep diving, enough to actually invest in PZ even more to maybe add flying and other mechanics down the line, they need to maximize their profit out of their hard work. And they do so by selling deep diving animals in several packs and holding back fan favourites to make sure each DLC sells well enough so that it makes sense to do a next one.
 
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12344321

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KönigDerKaffeebohnen said:
Idk, allmost as if that guy could sell a pack on its own. Mysterious why it was held back, i wonder
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I completely agree regarding the sea lion popularity.

But where we differ is here.

I'm offended that frontier withholds animals from the base game AND dlc JUST to exploit their customers with overpriced dlc's at a later date.

Where you seem to like the business savvy nature behind it, and commend PZ on their choices. To each their own.
 

Antimony96

Antimony96
12344321 said:
I'm offended that frontier withholds animals from the base game AND dlc JUST to exploit their customers with overpriced dlc's at a later date.
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I don't like it either but that's how games are these days, unfortunately. Be glad there are no lootboxes.
 
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jcp011c

jcp011c
Chiming in, I can understand holding back another star animal at times, but there's also the balance of bringing highly desired animals into the game at all, or "holding them back" that turns out to be not putting them in the game at all. I don't feel like it's likely we'll get an entire pack of star animals (which oddly enough is what many including myself are expecting for North America), but Frontier also hasn't kept themselves to having just one star animal in a pack - by star animal I mean not one you or I personally want ourselves, but is overall fairly popularly requested or highly iconic. Africa and Australia both have more than one. I think they could have put another star animal in the Aquatic pack because I feel like only the King Penguin was the only real star of that pack. You might say the otter but I'm not convinced the otter was that strongly requested.

My worry, and I do have anxiety so maybe I'm more prone to it, but anyways my worry is that they're not holding back certain animals for future content. Rather they may be planning to not put them in the game at all. I'd say that there's maybe 2-3 animals that seem like practical musts at some point, and while the California Sea Lion is way up in line, it's not quite at that level. Though I do still think it will come, what if....it doesn't show up in the North American pack? We hold out hope it's going to show up elsewhere of course...but...lets say they put out another aquatic pack and it's not included - at what point is the point of view shifted from "they're holding this back" to "I"m worried we may not get this animal at all". And that applies not just to the Sea Lion of course, that extends to any reasonably well known and requested animal that seems like they have a fair chance of making it in the game with enough content.
 

Antimony96

Antimony96
And on the flipside, you could argue that Frontier used some "star animals" too early. Southeast Asia might have sold better if it were headlined by the orangutan. And at this point there are very few star animals left excluding aviary birds and fully-aquatic animals--I can only think of the leopard, capybara, and sea lion as clear examples.
 

jcp011c

jcp011c
Antimony96 said:
And on the flipside, you could argue that Frontier used some "star animals" too early. Southeast Asia might have sold better if it were headlined by the orangutan. And at this point there are very few star animals left excluding aviary birds and fully-aquatic animals--I can only think of the leopard, capybara, and sea lion as clear examples.
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Oh absolutely, I don't disagree with you at all on that point. I think an orangutan is a perfect example, I'm glad we got them in base game, but wouldn't have been offended if they'd been left out to headline a pack. Frontier gave us a huge base game roster, more than any other zoo game discounting the 2013 Zoo Tycoon with it's dozens of lions and wolves. They could have left out a lot more than they did as long as they covered about 10-15 "must have" animals.
 

Ounze

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While the California Sea Lion would be nice, I'd honestly prefer a Steller Sea Lion. My local zoo had them forever and they absolutely beautiful. I have seen both in the wild, and I still like the of Steller Sea Lions more, personally speaking.
 
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KönigDerKaffeebohnen

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Some of you are so gloomy about the topic, but dont you understand that the moment you put the fear of them not being in the game ever, its a net gain for everyone?

This was explained often in these forums, but frontier will sell dlc aslong as they make a positive gain. They are a company after all and thats all good. So its in both their and our best interest that they spread popular animals out, giving us for each of them 3+ extra animals and scenery.
Thats a way better deal then having all fanfavourites in one pack, and its a way better deal for us too, because we get more less popular animals and more building pieces.
 
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