Windows 10 crashes while playing Games

[Morbad]

I saw the high reported core temps as well, but I think that CPU doesn't have proper sensors to get an accurate reading on that CPU.

I looked up some old datasheets to refresh my memory on AMD's thermal specifications. They haven't publicly released much info for any of their recent platforms, but they have one from the AM3 era: https://www.amd.com/system/files/TechDocs/52121_FS1b_TDG_Pub.pdf

Page 8 is most relevant.

AMD processors do have an on-die thermistor, but it's just an arbitrary reference point from which other values are extrapolated. Tcontrol should be 70C regardless of platform, with the TCASE rating (probably what the temperature on the product page is referring to) set on a per-CPU basis.

If that CPUTIN reading is actually grabbing Tcontrol, his CPU could still be thermal throttling despite the underclock he's already got. Could be introducing instability.

I think the easiest route to a likely solution is to add a case fan on the rear to ventilate the case.

This will undoubtedly help.

Other than that, this box is too old to keep sinking good money after bad. You can buy a $200 core i5 refurb that will probably run faster than what he's using...

At this point it's an entertaining bit opf comedy-horror for me, and a useful educational experience for the OP.

Besides, he's got a nice PSU for his next system now.

I never did this before

Maintenance is important.

A Computer should be able to run normally when it's closed but I've also already had the Idea that this could at least be a temporary Solution

Yes, but most computers that work correctly don't have seriously underspeced CPU coolers, and virtually non-existent case cooling.

 

[GJ51]

Wow, how could I not notice that there is a Fan. Thanks. I feel so stupid for not noticing this
That Fan looks also a little bit dusty. What is the best Way to clean it?

And any other Tips? For example how I can attach the Cables in a Way that the Airflow gets better?

I use cleaning duster for electronics - basically just compressed nitrogen in a can, available online just about anywhere.

Also if there are fan mounts on the top of the case, they can help, but getting the front to back airflow improved may be enough and sometimes adding too many fans can foul things up a bit as getting the best flow over the right components can get confusing if you pull both from the rear and the top at the same time. Sometimes you just have to experiment to get the best results.

 

[Firestar97]

At this point it's an entertaining bit opf comedy-horror for me, and a useful educational experience for the OP.

Good to know that you find it entertaining. Now I feel a little bit less worse about stealing everyones Time with my Problems

virtually non-existent case cooling

As someone pointed out : I somehow didn't see that there is indeed a Fan that my SSD was blocking
Never felt so stupid about something that is that obvious

I use cleaning duster for electronics - basically just compressed nitrogen in a can, available online just about anywhere.

Hopefully it is also available in the Electronics Store a few Kilometers away even though they don't have a lot of important Computer Stuff. It wouldn't be very enjoyable if I would need to wait a few Days just for a Cleaning Product

 

[GJ51]

I looked up some old datasheets to refresh my memory on AMD's thermal specifications. They haven't publicly released much info for any of their recent platforms, but they have one from the AM3 era: https://www.amd.com/system/files/TechDocs/52121_FS1b_TDG_Pub.pdf

Page 8 is most relevant.

AMD processors do have an on-die thermistor, but it's just an arbitrary reference point from which other values are extrapolated. Tcontrol should be 70C regardless of platform, with the TCASE rating (probably what the temperature on the product page is referring to) set on a per-CPU basis.

If that CPUTIN reading is actually grabbing Tcontrol, his CPU could still be thermal throttling despite the underclock he's already got. Could be introducing instability.




This will undoubtedly help.



At this point it's an entertaining bit opf comedy-horror for me, and a useful educational experience for the OP.

Besides, he's got a nice PSU for his next system now.



Maintenance is important.



Yes, but most computers that work correctly don't have seriously underspeced CPU coolers, and virtually non-existent case cooling.

Yeah - I've been following this thread off and on for a bit to see if it resolved. I built an AMD FX-8350 build for my son about 10 years ago and that's what triggered my memory regarding the CPU temp reporting that seemed to be mostly voodoo because the hardware sensors weren't on those motherboards.

I've done builds where even the cable routing was important for getting good thermal airflow. I'm currently working on the next build for my son going top line 5950X and 6800XT, so I've been deep into case specs, dimensions, PSU's cooling etc.

I think I enjoy building more than actually playing games...

Parts are almost impossible to get now without going on a wait list due to the lost capacity from airline cutbacks. A lot of the parts in the supply chain move on space available passenger flights and now that they have been cut 50% we wait until inventories can get re-stocked.

Crazy times...

 

[Firestar97]

Can you run OCCT's 3D and VRAM tests and have them check for errors?

Is it somehow possible to run both Tests at the same Time? I've just found out that it is only usable for free for one Hour. Just marked everything in the List with 3D in the Title. I hope that's everything that is needed to also test the 3D Stuff. Just had a Thought. Am I maybe misunderstanding it and the 1 Hour Limit isn't for the complete Software but 1 Hour per Test?

Also the Computer stays cold now (at least on the Outside. Just don't know yet if it is because the Fan is no longer blocked or only because the Case is open

 

[Morbad]

Is it somehow possible to run both Tests at the same Time? I've just found out that it is only usable for free for one Hour

One hour, each, with no errors should be able to rule out most GPU stability issues.

Running them at the same time would require starting a second instance of the program, and probably wouldn't be useful because together they'd detract from the resources that could be allocated to each test. Running a test on separate components together is often beneficial in finding instabilities faster, but on the same component simultaneously, unless one test isn't making good use of that part, it's generally counterproductive.

Also the Computer stays cold now (at least on the Outside. Just don't know yet if it is because the Fan is no longer blocked or only because the Case is open

Just moving the SSD won't do much.

If you only have one case fan, it should be in the back, but you really should have more.

 

[Firestar97]

If you only have one case fan, it should be in the back, but you really should have more.

How many Case Fans do you recommend?

 

[GJ51]

How many Case Fans do you recommend?

There's no ideal standard number of fans. You balance thermal performance against noise level and how you plan to stress the build. Each build is pretty much different as it's not just the number of fans used but the specs on each fan as well. How many CFM @ what RPM and that sort of thing. Obstructions to air flow. Exhausting from the rear fan is usually better, but I've also recently seen a high end build using an AIO CPU cooler on the top fan ports without a rear fan that ran fine.

My next build will use 3 X 120mm fans on top and 2 X 120 in front

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Using closed loop coolers on this build may work out that a rear fan isn't an improvement as the air will come in the front sucked in by the video card radiator and the CPU top unit will draw air from the bottom to the top. In this build if I want/need to get more airflow I'll likely add fans to the bottom of the case if needed, but I doubt I will. This is a high end build with 64gb of ram for use by a professional software engineer. Cool AND quiet with solid performance and plenty of room for running multiple remote desktops and compilers, etc. So how many fans and where is always unique to each build.

Rather than pulling you case apart to move the front fan to the rear, I'd just add a decent rear fan first to see if it solves your problem. Then there's always bearing type, fan blade design, static pressure, variabl/fixed speed, and so on... For your situation I'd get something that moves a lot of air (CFM) first and worry about the noise issue later...

HTH

 

[Mole HD]

How many Case Fans do you recommend?

As many as will comfortably fit in the available space but at least one extractor fan at the rear of the case, you already have an intake fan at the front. For cleaning the fans, a soft paintbrush will do fine for cleaning the blades.

I have a fair few fans in my system...but I have liquid cooling for the CPU... so as well as the case fans, I have 4 fans on the radiator...2 either side (pushers/pullers) plus a 200mm case fan at the front, a single 120mm extractor at the rear and a further 2 x 120mm top extractors. The photo is a few months old since the 1080ti has been recently replaced by a pair of RTX 2070 supers.

 

[Firestar97]

As many as will comfortably fit in the available space but at least one extractor fan at the rear of the case, you already have an intake fan at the front. For cleaning the fans, a soft paintbrush will do fine for cleaning the blades.

I have a fair few fans in my system...but I have liquid cooling for the CPU... so as well as the case fans, I have 4 fans on the radiator...2 either side (pushers/pullers) plus a 200mm case fan at the front, a single 120mm extractor at the rear and a further 2 x 120mm top extractors.

Wow, I wish my Computer would look so tidy inside. Any Tips how to fixate the Cables so they won't block too much Airflow?

 

[Morbad]

Wow, I wish my Computer would look so tidy inside. Any Tips how to fixate the Cables so they won't block too much Airflow?

Route them behind the motherboard tray.

 

[Mole HD]

Wow, I wish my Computer would look so tidy inside. Any Tips how to fixate the Cables so they won't block too much Airflow?

It's mostly through practise, like most things. Different cases have routing channels for cables and once you are reasonably comfortable where things go and what things are when building a PC, tidying cables is just part of the job when you build it.

Like most of the other folks replying in this thread, we've been building our own PC's for a fair length of time.

 

[Firestar97]

Can you run OCCT's 3D and VRAM tests and have them check for errors?

Both Tests are finished and no Errors where found

 

[Morbad]

Both Tests are finished and no Errors where found

That's with the case open or closed?

 

[Firestar97]

That's with the case open or closed?

The Case is still open

 

[Morbad]

The Case is still open

Try gaming on it with the case open. If it doesn't crash, it will be pretty convincing evidence for a temperature/cooling issue an exhaust fan plus a real heatsink should straighten things out.

 

[Firestar97]

Try gaming on it with the case open. If it doesn't crash, it will be pretty convincing evidence for a temperature/cooling issue an exhaust fan plus a real heatsink should straighten things out.

Already testing it and so far it's working really good. I'm already playing since a little bit more than one Hour and the Case has a normal Temperature. I've also wanted to take a look at the Fans but I would need to move my Computer a bit for this and I don't know if it would be that good to move it while it is on

 

[Firestar97]

I've just looked inside while the Computer is running. The Graphics Card Fan and the Motherboard Fan still seem to run normal. But the Case Fan isn't turning at all. It doesn't matter if a Game is running or not. It stands completely still

 

[Morbad]

I've just looked inside while the Computer is running. The Graphics Card Fan and the Motherboard Fan still seem to run normal. But the Case Fan isn't turning at all. It doesn't matter if a Game is running or not. It stands completely still

It's either not plugged in or has failed. Find the fan cable and follow it.

 

[Firestar97]

There is a Cable that isn't plugged in that seems to be Part of the Fan. Maybe I needed to remove it and forgot to plug it back in