Windows 11 Secure Boot Problem.

[Jumpin' Jack Flash]

Hi Fnord

Not it seems with the 1st Windows 10 Retail version I bought
I'm going to find out what EXACT differences there are between the two versions I have. It should be listed in the operating system specs on the computer/s I would think, so I'll look there. If I can find out any 'abnormalities' I'll let you know. (Unless somebody else knows a quick way to do this).
Jack.

 

[mearmortal]

I've rebuilt several machines, and I use a USB Stick with a UEFI partition of Windows 10. I use Rufus, a downloaded copy of the Windows image in ISO format. I boot using UEFI and leave secure boot off until windows is fully installed, then I turn it on.

 

[Jumpin' Jack Flash]

Hi Marvin (@varonica)

Originally I used my old EVGA GTX 960 because I had already spent 1,500 dollars on all the other parts. I recently upgraded to a EVGA RTX 3060 Ti.

Okay, this is what I suspected, and one reason why I asked you, and anybody else here can chip in as well with their Graphics card make and specs. as it's fairly relevant in this case / problem.
A few days ago..... Ist. Scenario, built the computer, checked everything twice / three times, all set to switch on.....
After switching on the computer for the first time the system started and within a short time Windows went through its installation process, no problems.
There was NO indication that there was anything in the bios that needed altering on first boot to installation of the OS. Loaded some drivers and software mainly to check temperatures, looked for any glaring faults I may have missed and did a few re-starts all ok. (except for all the Microsoft $%&** that wanted me to download )

Yesterday and today I've been on the web looking for answers to this safe boot etc. problem till my eyes bled, Some fixes I noted and wrote down, but being a bit tired mentally and physically I decided to leave it all until tomorrow, for a fresh approach.
As I was about to finish on the computer and do something useful, I had a last thought, what are the true defaults on the motherboard?
So, into the bios, set defaults, saved and exit. Bios boots up and stops halfway with this message....

"The VGA Card is not supported by UEFi Driver.
(CSM Compatibility support module)
Settings have been changed for better compatibility
For further adjustments press F1 to enter bios setup
If no adjustments needed further press F2 to confirm the current settings and enter OS directly.


So it seems to me the main solution and probably the only solution is to upgrade / buy a new Graphics card, at least to be compatible with Windows 11.
Next solution, find a list of graphics cards that are currently up to date with Win 11.
Foot note. The CPU has its own integrated graphics chip, I'm wondering if I removed the GPU, reset the bios to default.....
Jack

 

[Marvin the Martian]

So it seems to me the main solution and probably the only solution is to upgrade / buy a new Graphics card, at least to be compatible with Windows 11.

Ahhhh.

Yeah. The 7950 is 10 years old. You're not going to find a windows 11 driver for it. By comparison, my GTX 960 is only 7 and it works perfectly.

BUT

There is a way to install Windows 11 without the security requirement if that's not an option for you.

 

[T. J. Cooper]

I've had zero problems with Win11. @Jumpin' Jack Flash you bring back memories of when I built all of the PCs for me and my family.

But when the differences in prices started narrowing, I just decided to buy an already configured machine. Get old, get lazy...

I didnt have any problem, until I installed the latest update. Now I am getting the oragesidewinder error. Could be the video card driver too. Server connect attemps 3/3, so its hitting the server.

 

[Jumpin' Jack Flash]

Hi All

Ahhhh.

Yeah. The 7950 is 10 years old. You're not going to find a windows 11 driver for it. By comparison, my GTX 960 is only 7 and it works perfectly.

BUT

There is a way to install Windows 11 without the security requirement if that's not an option for you.

Hi Marvin

I did some searching for the GTX 960, I have an MSI Gaming X GTX 1060 3GB in my other computer and wondered if it was worth installing it in this newer computer temporarily.
The GTX 960 was first released in 2015 and the GTX 1060 in 2016. It's obviously slightly better than the R7950 plus it's still supported by nvidia with up to date drivers, so I swapped them around, (I was going to anyway at some point).
Have yet to try installing windows 11 when Microsoft gives me the option, I'm still learning the complexities of this new motherboard.
Side note, Armoury Crate is proving to be a slightly buggy piece of software, for example, and setting up the sound for 7.1 speakers in the Realtech Audio console is not so straightforward as it should be imho.
Yes, I'd be interested to know how to install windows 11 without the security requirements, but bear in mind I'd be using the 'free' offer from Microsoft that appears on my desk top. It's there but still requires me to set up the secure boot to proceed, all other requirements check out ok in the MS 'Health' App. btw.

Jack.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I did some searching for the GTX 960, I have an MSI Gaming X GTX 1060 3GB in my other computer and wondered if it was worth installing it in this newer computer temporarily.

Absolutely. It'll run this game just fine.

Side note, Armoury Crate is proving to be a slightly buggy piece of software, for example, and setting up the sound for 7.1 speakers in the Realtech Audio console is not so straightforward as it should be imho

No idea what "Armoury Crate" is. I've always just used the Realtech app. It's flawless and has always worked perfectly. One simple setting dropdown for stereo, mono, 5.1 or 7.1 surround. Done.

It also has effects if you want. (Reverb, delay, echo, etc.) and independent speaker configuration (distance, height, size, etc.) if you're into that sort of thing.

 

[Jumpin' Jack Flash]

Hi All

No idea what "Armoury Crate" is. I've always just used the Realtech app. It's flawless and has always worked perfectly. One simple setting dropdown for stereo, mono, 5.1 or 7.1 surround. Done.

It also has effects if you want. (Reverb, delay, echo, etc.) and independent speaker configuration (distance, height, size, etc.) if you're into that sort of thing.

Hi, Armoury Crate is a program that allows you to see what temperatures for cpu, motherboard, dram, and chip plus a few other readouts. Also fan speeds etc.
I've been browsing the Asus Forums and it seems the program is not entirely 'optimized' for want of a better word. Quite a few problems where it interferes with other programs and general motherboard features. I've experienced a few.
Might uninstall it and find a better behaved monitoring software.
Yeah, the 1060 works ok btw and I'm pretty sure it's win 11 compliant.

Jack

 

[Jack Winter]

I've just upgraded the computer and got rid of armory crate immediately! I also try to avoid software like the stuff from logitech, nvidia, etc. I just download the drivers manually and then leave it like that until I have to upgrade some component like the nvidia drivers. I really prefer to manage it manually rather than having the computer doing it for me.

Useful software for monitoring the computer might be cpu-z, gpu-z and the cpuid hardware monitor. If you want to play with overclocking the GPU or getting an overlay monitoring various parameters of the GPU and framerates, look into msi afterburner and riva tuner. Makes it very easy to see frame rates, frequencies, temperatures, cpu/gpu usage, etc while playing the game.

 

[CMDR Is Fat]

Yes, I'd be interested to know how to install windows 11 without the security requirements, but bear in mind I'd be using the 'free' offer from Microsoft that appears on my desk top. It's there but still requires me to set up the secure boot to proceed, all other requirements check out ok in the MS 'Health' App. btw.

Jack.

Create new txt document, copy the spoiler text to notepad, save as whateveryouwant.reg
It needs to be .reg this is a registry file to turn off the requirements check, ram, cpu, storage, tpm and secure boot.
Double click the created file, windows will ask if you want to add the information to the registry, hit yes, info installed, you should now be able to install win 11 without issue, you may need to reboot (long time since ive done this).

Spoiler: Win 11 No Check Reg File

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup\LabConfig]
"BypassTPMCheck"=dword:00000001
"BypassSecureBootCheck"=dword:00000001
"BypassRAMCheck"=dword:00000001
"BypassStorageCheck"=dword:00000001
"BypassCPUCheck"=dword:00000001

 

[alexzk]

I've just upgraded the computer and got rid of armory crate immediately! I also try to avoid software like the stuff from logitech, nvidia, etc. I just download the drivers manually and then leave it like that until I have to upgrade some component like the nvidia drivers. I really prefer to manage it manually rather than having the computer doing it for me.

Sorry - sounds like "12 steps program".
Well, I use Linux and my computer do only what I order explicit to do

 

[Jack Winter]

Sorry - sounds like "12 steps program".
Well, I use Linux and my computer do only what I order explicit to do

Yeah, I've been using Linux for many years and much prefer it, I've even played ED on it since late 2018. When I upgraded the computer I installed Windows too in order to use voice attack and other stuff I couldn't get working on Linux. IMO Windows has gotten better, but all that extra software is just very annoying...

 

[EdzUp]

As the saying goes "Computers are like aircons they work beautifully until you open windows"

 

[Jumpin' Jack Flash]

Hi All,

Yeah, I've been using Linux for many years and much prefer it, I've even played ED on it since late 2018. When I upgraded the computer I installed Windows too in order to use voice attack and other stuff I couldn't get working on Linux. IMO Windows has gotten better, but all that extra software is just very annoying...

Yup, Windows 'extra' software. It's been quite annoying to me also. Can't stand the way Microsoft manages to wheedle itself into your windows set up. I've tried various ways to stop most of it, successful for about 80%, but the *&%$£" still gets through.
I don't use the 'Cloud', but Microsoft still keeps trying to tell me it's the best thing since sliced bread.
I've been looking in on the JayzTwoCents website recently, his views on Windows, especially Win 11 and Microsoft's way of trying to force you down certain alleyways are hilarious! ...but quite disturbing.

Anyhow, uninstalled Armoury Crate, there were just too many weird things going on with my computer, at one point for example my mouse pointer disappeared from my desktop screen, and the bios telling me to check my cpu fan's connection as it couldn't detect it, which is definitely something to do with the way Armoury Crate sets up the cpu fan monitoring systems etc. so not really surprised about that in a way, but there were a few other strange boot up problems that I was mystified with. The computers settled down now, no boot up problems, and boot up & shutdown times have speeded up.

As the saying goes "Computers are like aircons they work beautifully until you open windows"

....There's just too many app's I don't want or need. Unfortunately the updates that you need for security etc. and some useful ones are just mixed in with all that update advertising driven bloatware.
sigh!....meh...I'm turning into a 'Victor Meldrew' type personality probably.

Jack

 

[Jack Winter]

Heh, I much prefer the Linux approach. All drivers are in the kernel, with some very rare exceptions of out of tree drivers and proprietary (mainly GPU) drivers. Keep the kernel up to date and all your drivers are up to date, no need to visit various sites and download from unknown sites.

Get all your programs (mostly) from a central repository and get them all updated when you update the system.

Mostly no tracking of your data or web activities.

And I also really like the KDE plasma desktop, think it's really nice and configurable.

Yesterday I was wondering what I need to do to make Cortana use Chrome and Google for searches, and apparently I need to download an application from a third party and possibly install a plugin into Chrome too, so back to the Windows I remember from back then... I think I'll just give it a pass, it's not all that important and I don't want to install hundreds of apps from all over on my system. It's easy enough to open a new chrome instance to do my search.

I'll probably make an effort at disabling all the built in Windows spyware at some point though...

I did however install both Claws-mail and Kate, so I have the same email app and editor on both Windows and Linux.

Still for gaming Windows really is better than Linux, which I guess is natural as the games and helper apps are developed for Windows.

 

[Stanford]

WIN 11 - Spyware included