With ED, the keyboard and mouse are more efficient that the X52 pro ?

I managed.

Not saying you're horribly gimped if you use keyboard and mouse or anything, but the maneuver I described in the post you quoted is literally impossible to perform on a keyboard and mouse setup. The keyboard will lock you out because they generally can't send more than 3 keys simultaneously.

I exclusively use keyboard and mouse and I manage just fine. Pitch + yaw on the mouse, roll + vertical thrust on WASD, lateral thrust on Q&E, shift + spacebar for throttle, power management on 1234, FA off on CTRL. Full throttle & full reverse on mouse wheel. R for 50% thrust.
See, to me that's too many fingers having to move too much. I have my left index finger on my strafe hat, left hand on the throttle obviously, left middle finger on the scroll wheel (Which I only use as a button, for engaging my FSD). My left thumb has boost and reverse thrust under it. I've obviously got roll, pitch, and yaw on my stick (Twist for yaw, because real men use roll and pitch most), right thumb has my next weapon group button, fire 2, next/previous target, and power management, right index finger has fire1, and right pinky has the switch I hold down to use the hat on the stick for focusing on UI panels instead of doing power management.

My thumbs are the only digits that ever have to move between multiple controls in combat.
 
I just read on the forum, a person tried the X52 pro, with ED. But decided to let the X52 pro, to continue playing with the keyboard and the mouse. I've seen in the past many people who have done the same thing. The keyboard and the mouse are at least as well that the X52 ?

Interesting one indeed.

I never tried the mouse / keyboard combo, but I definitely think that immersion wise, an HOTAS is much better.

Now, when it comes to performance, obviously I can't tell. One thing though : you have to take into account that a good pilot is used to his / her interface of choice (i.e. the keyboard/mouse combo). He / she will need to seriously adjust when using a different setup, hence the feeling that it is crappy, whatever it is.
 
See, to me that's too many fingers having to move too much.
Eh you get used to it, I don't even notice anymore. TBH I'm not convinced your control scheme matters much at all outside of top class PvP encounters, where I definitely would come off worse. Otherwise whatever you can afford and feels comfortable is fine really.

Anyway if I can play Freespace with K&M I can damn sure play this. :)
 
I just read on the forum, a person tried the X52 pro, with ED. But decided to let the X52 pro, to continue playing with the keyboard and the mouse. I've seen in the past many people who have done the same thing. The keyboard and the mouse are at least as well that the X52 ?

the game is far too easy when you use a kb and mouse, i only get out my hotas for flight sims like dcs/clod/ww2ol ect

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It's too hard to get the full "6 degrees of freedom" control with mouse and keyboard. Especially considering you only have two axes with non-binary input. But even ignoring that, you can get pitch and roll (or yaw) on your mouse, but then you need throttle up, throttle back, yaw left, yaw right, strafe left, strafe right, strafe up, and strafe down on your keyboard, which is an annoyingly large set of keys to keep track of, without even taking any other functions of your ship into account. And it leaves you trying to hit 3-4 keys at once quite commonly, which your keyboard is likely to not support.

My x52 gives me access to all those things at once, so I can use them in any combination. Granted, my strafe controls are binary, but you can't have everything. A little thumbstick for strafe would be neat, but the hat under my index finger on the throttle works fine. And I can be doing a left roll, a right yaw, a pitch up, and strafe left and up all at once without my computer beeping because I was hitting too many keys at once and freaked out my keyboard's pcb.

quake players can manage this easy, first thing most fps players do is fix windows stickkeys.
 
I bought an X-55 specifically for ED. It is great. No doubt.
I have had to play with kB/mouse for the last couple months due to traveling and it is just as good if not better.
 
It's personal preference.

After playing solid with a keyboard and mouse for a long time, a new HOTAS took a LOT of getting used to.
Any player who hasn't got experience with a HOTAS, can easily drop it, and go back to Keyboard and Mouse, claiming it's superior. But the fact of the matter is... it's superior to them, not necessarily others.

Play what feels comfortable for you. Don't let others dictate how you should play
 
the game is far too easy when you use a kb and mouse, i only get out my hotas for flight sims like dcs/clod/ww2ol ect

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quake players can manage this easy, first thing most fps players do is fix windows stickkeys.

Quake does not have 6 degrees of freedom, nor does it have analog movement capability, so there's no comparison.
 
Keyboard and mouse were fine for me, once I had the settings right. Moved to X52 because it was Xmas and I needed to find a present for myself. Immersion is just awesome and to be honest it feels more intuitive and that I am a better pilot with it. I have minor hand issues and the HOTAS takes a lot of the issues away.
 
For me, the X-52 is far more efficient. I rarely have to touch the keyboard or mouse for anything other than typing in system names on the map or using the chat 'feature'.

That said, the X-52 Pro is plagued with a defective build process and apathetic QA. Looking at all of the problems people have had with this thing over the last several years, I wouldn't be surprised to find that they have a 50% or higher defect rate. Just as an example of how much they (MC/Saitek) don't care, the fabled 'weak springs' in the stick have been an issue for at least 4 years and never addressed.

It's a nice system, when it works. Getting one that works is on a par with the RNG lottery in most MMORPGs. You're rarely ever going to get a good one on the first drop.

Somehow, I got lucky with getting a working X52 Pro on the first try. I have long since replaced it with the HOTAS Warthog. I did, however, try going back to using the X52 Pro, but I ran into a problem, not with the X52 Pro, but rather, "muscle memory". I'm so used to the Warthog stick being heavier and requiring a little more strength to move the stick, something the X52 Pro stick lacks. Due to this, any attempt at using the X52 Pro results in me throwing the stick (as in, rapid inputs).
 
So used at rolling, pitching and that other one all at the same time AND using one of the hats for strafing.
I would seriously injure my fingers if I had to use m/kb again.
(and probably crash onto the landing pad of an outpost upside down the first few times... lol)
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It's true what you guys are saying about the quality of these x52's though (both normal and pro).
If it works, it seems to last long enough to justify the price. But if you have any issues at all, return it.
I've read too many reports about certain buttons failing right out of the box.
Especially the wheel-buttons on the base of the throttle and the up/down toggle switches on the base of the stick.
Be wary..
 
Somehow, I got lucky with getting a working X52 Pro on the first try.

Unfortunately, I did not. The throttle detents came loose in mine, jamming it at about 50% range, the twist rudder has a faulty sensor and results in a lot of jittery behavior, and the HAT switches on the stick have gone 'soft', not giving any tactile feedback, which also makes them extremely sensitive in certain positions.

Several other inputs required some rather extreme dead zone tuning right out of the box. Overall, after just a few months use, it's in bad shape and needs to go back for an overhaul/replacement. I just hope I get one that works, and isn't all scarred up. I've taken good care of this one, and would prefer to get something back that doesn't look like it spent the weekend with the Samsonite Gorilla. :D

Due to this, any attempt at using the X52 Pro results in me throwing the stick (as in, rapid inputs).

I can see where that could be an issue. LOL
 
I love my X52 pro and use the keyboard only to chat, enable supercruise, set my speed to 25% (for scooping) or select wingmen. It is also so immersive!

However...have you seen all these videos where a guy does awesome PvP, using flight assist off and nailing multiple consecutive shots of railgun? I thought that with practice I would be able to do the same...but I can't...then I noticed that on all these videos they use keyboard and mouse (from the mouse widget, you know, this little orange arrow on the HUD indicating where your mouse is) which is actually much more precise!
Oh well...I prefer immersion anyway... :(
 
I find the game FAR FAR more enjoyable on my Thrustmaster Warthog... and when fighting, I am better with it. BUT... I think it is far easier to fight an interdiction battle with a mouse as your range of travel is SOO much smaller, and it is so much faster to change direction.
 
Getting a HOTAS won't make you a better pilot, though it will be more immersive. I play with a keyboard and joystick now, but before the joystick it was a mouse. My right hand and arm had to relearn everything, and it took a while but I'm competent at it now.

The best set up, whether it be a HOTAS, Xbox controller, or mouse and keyboard, is what ever feels the most comfortable. Some people may have health issues, or bad wrists, so maybe a HOTAS wouldn't be the best for them, but a game pad would.
 
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