Wolves, issue with just two

BGouch

B
Apologies for another wolf complaint but what I have isnt a problem with packs.

So my first animals were a pair of wolves male and female, they had one pup and as soon as she matured I shipped her off as I knew about their current social group problem(only 2 per exhibit). Although after the pup had matured and was gone from the zoo the male and female started fighting constantly. Giving me notifications that there were too many adults, so I shipped the female off and replaced her. Fighting continued. I had examined the new female and it said beta animals cannot mate. Replaced the male and female for a brand new pair... still fighting, until i decided to just keep two females.

Not too sure if this is a bug or I just dont quite understand the alpha system.

Any and all advice is greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
 

CeD

C
Looks like a bug to me. I had wolves for several generations. They were never fighting as long as there were only one male and one female wolf inside one habitat.
 

Wolfen75

Wolfen75
That is a bug.

When you take away one alpha and put another wolf in, the alpha state switches to the new one.
(if you still have a couple)

If you still have that issue once you replaced all involved animals, you might have to rebuild the habitat.
I had a hunger-strike problem with crocodiles once i could only solve by rebuild the habitat, because obviously that was bugged somehow,
not the animals inside.

🐺
 

Bo Marit

Lead Community Manager
Frontier
Hiya, we've just released Update 1.0.2 which should address some of your issues I believe, so please make sure you update your game to the latest build. Let us know if the problem continues!

Thanks <3
 

Wolfen75

Wolfen75
Well, while i hope something was changed about the unpredictable animal food cost too, it is surely
howlyful to see that we're now able to have packs.

Timer Wolf
group size 2-12 (up to 12 males, up to 12 females)
alpha male and alpha female, monogamous

So a pack with only the monogam alpha couple breeding, exactly how wolves work 🐺

You can also breed huge hordes of African Wild Dogs now.

Albeit, until the food cost explosion problem is solved i wouldn't recommend it 🐾
 

Bo Marit

Lead Community Manager
Frontier
Wolfen75 said:
Well, while i hope something was changed about the unpredictable animal food cost too, it is surely
howlyful to see that we're now able to have packs.

Timer Wolf
group size 2-12 (up to 12 males, up to 12 females)
alpha male and alpha female, monogamous

So a pack with only the monogam alpha couple breeding, exactly how wolves work 🐺

You can also breed huge hordes of African Wild Dogs now.

Albeit, until the food cost explosion problem is solved i wouldn't recommend it 🐾
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You were so fast! Happy to hear we've solved some issues for you!
 

Wolfen75

Wolfen75
Bo Marit said:
You were so fast! Happy to hear we've solved some issues for you!
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I am quick for a grey wolf at my good days (they are rare).
Yea thanks for packs, now lets hope you also solved the animal food issue and made it possible
to feed my furry friends ;)
 

Wolfen75

Wolfen75
In current zoos you might have to box and unbox all wolves to get it work.

I just loaded my smaller zoo and the alpha couple was fighting with their just grewn up daugther still.
I boxed them all, unboxed them and now they're living peacefully since 3 ingame months.
 

Wolfen75

Wolfen75
They are starting to fight again...
and in my mainzoo the peaceful Tapirs now start to fight because of overcrowding...
oh well.
 

Wolfen75

Wolfen75
My wolves are still fighting for alpha status.

The social indicator says 5 adults and is green, but it seems as if nothing but the overall limit and the description has changed.

I have a alpha couple and three cups, the cups grew up and they start to fight.
 

Wolfen75

Wolfen75
I think i can use this thread as well instead of making a new wolf issue thread.

Has anyone made it to get a wolfpack work now?

Despite the changed description it feels for me that nothing has changed but the description of wolves.

I have a couple, 2 alphas.

They get cups, the cups grow up and they start fighting.
They fight for alphastatus among the old pack, i can mix new ones into it, nothing works out.
Is it me or is this still not working?

I tried that with the third couple now and the fighting alert goes on for a year now with the last one.
Then i couldn't see the pity anymore and sold all but a couple.
 

Jerryt87

Jerryt87
BGouch said:
Apologies for another wolf complaint but what I have isnt a problem with packs.

So my first animals were a pair of wolves male and female, they had one pup and as soon as she matured I shipped her off as I knew about their current social group problem(only 2 per exhibit). Although after the pup had matured and was gone from the zoo the male and female started fighting constantly. Giving me notifications that there were too many adults, so I shipped the female off and replaced her. Fighting continued. I had examined the new female and it said beta animals cannot mate. Replaced the male and female for a brand new pair... still fighting, until i decided to just keep two females.

Not too sure if this is a bug or I just dont quite understand the alpha system.

Any and all advice is greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
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I had the same thing happen with Ardvarks. I finally fixed it by emptying the enclosure completely and send them all to the trade center. Then I added them back in, and they quit fighting.
 

CeD

C
Well. The patch notes state the following:
"Increased population and sex limits of Timber Wolf and African Wild Dog allowing for larger, relatively peaceful packs that still Alpha fight infrequently."

So it sems to be intended that they fight to settle who's the boss from time to time.
 

Wolfen75

Wolfen75
Well i tried it several times and they fight, no matter what i do or how i mix the animals.

On my fast-forward-test-zoo i had the fighting-alert for 2 years before i gave up.

edit:
Also when i have an alpha couple and i add only females they start to fight.
Thats not how wolves work... but i guess i will just keep them in 2-wolf-couples like before.

Which is sad, because the African Wild Dogs worked fine from the start.
 

Charmmy Colour

Charmmy Colour
It’s a step on the right direction and I’m really happy they are listening.

However it still needs some work. They should disable fights altogether because wolves DO NOT FIGHT FOR ALPHA. The original breeding pair are the alphas (they are not even called as such, but whatever, to make thinks easier for Frontier) and that’s it. Period. The only scenario where wolves would be fighting for alpha is if the original ones die/leave somehow and it’s not clear who’s the second eldest, healthiest offspring. Most of the time, they decide the new breeding pair quite peacefully. But I can see fights occurring on this scenario. But while the original breeding pair is there, fights should simply not occur at all.

In a foot note, inbreeding is also extremely rare, since they develop very obvious family bonds and instinct tells them to not breed with family. It’s not imposible, but it should be very, very rare (meaning you shouldn’t need to micromanage inbreeding in the game).
 
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