I've stopped fighting for the game too. I wanted this to be THE game that I play for years, but instead it will be only one of the many games. But I'll still be looking for THE game.
Worrying trend...
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I think this game is going to do reasonably well, but I do think it needs to have a stronger set of features for multi-player. I DON'T think that multi-player should be compulsory, and there is still a solo option (quite apart from the ability to just fly out into the beyond) but for me, games are so much better when played on-line and with friends.
We need ways to have combat between groups of players, ways for groups of players to RP together in game, and we need easier comms. Yes, we'll probably end up using Ventrilo or Teamspeak for voice comms, but that doesn't help during random encounters with other players which are likely to be very much more significant in this game due to the thin spread of Commanders.
The biggest contradiction, for me, is that the best and most convincing part of this game is the space flight and dogfighting which could make this game into a huge success as a PvP MMO - but there seems to be very little appetite for that amongst the early backers. I suspect that when the game releases that balance of opinion may be swayed by the newcomers.
We need ways to have combat between groups of players, ways for groups of players to RP together in game, and we need easier comms. Yes, we'll probably end up using Ventrilo or Teamspeak for voice comms, but that doesn't help during random encounters with other players which are likely to be very much more significant in this game due to the thin spread of Commanders.
The biggest contradiction, for me, is that the best and most convincing part of this game is the space flight and dogfighting which could make this game into a huge success as a PvP MMO - but there seems to be very little appetite for that amongst the early backers. I suspect that when the game releases that balance of opinion may be swayed by the newcomers.
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I had initially expected it to be that upon release but I now realise that this was an unreasonable expectation. Perhaps with time ED might become THE game. It certainly has the room to grow into something remarkable. But for now I'm with you in thinking that ED is a game amongst many.
That.
That right there.
This is the slap-down the OP was talking about.
That you find the game easy is great. And yes, you can tell Obliterator that you disagree, that you refute his points. But take a look at your reply. It does get right in his face (IMO). It does read fairly aggressively.
Replies like this might be "from the heart" but you may be better served by letting the "head" review them and deliver a post that makes your points but doesn't seem quite so knee-jerk and angry. We do have a lot of angry sounding posts at the moment, and it is making a lot of people uncomfortable.
And before anyone says "Too bad if they're not tuff enuff!", think about how boring this community would be if all we ever heard were ppl echoing our own thoughts and agreeing totally with us. We need our mix of people and styles - it what makes this place rock!
That is a good point. Will the new influx of players - many of whom will be expecting PvP on demand - force Frontier's hand?
The post he responded to was passively aggressive with the all-too-well-known "if you don't like Elite, you are a carebear want all now for free teenager modern gamer". It's a fanboi illusion of oneself as the tough-old-school-gamer that plays the really hard games.
I am actually uncomfortable if I cannot find outfitting and people tell me to "visit high tech worlds" when I have done nothing else for 3 hours and then continue to belittle me and insisting that searching random spawned gear with a availability model standing on it's head is actually good gameplay, when all it is is docking at stations.
From my point of view, as someone who bought Beta 2 weeks before Gamma, this forum is a playground for a lot of dedicated fans, that now get introduced to the real world after living in their filter bubble for 2 years. And part of what they thought of with the designers is actually exposed as really crappy ideas. As inability to learn from the success from others ("we dont want EVE!" "we dont want WOW!"). Inability to learn from the failures of others.
Like social... when it comes to social and group tools, the Elite Dangerous community is the exact opposite from the people that were around during the alphas and betas of LOTRO. Over there it was all "multiplayer multiplayer". So the game ended up being multiplayer madness without anything to do as a single player. On launch you could get stuck in your questlines when you didn't multiplayer and end all quests immediately. And then there was nothing to do for you. Here it is the other way around. Multiplayer is the devil (although it is marketed as multiplayer). No chat, no clans, no grouping, no easy communication. Please leave me alone, other commanders. The "one man one ship 100 Cr." mentality. That has a can of "Marketing Multiplayer Spray" applied all over it.
So actually I did encounter the aggressive tone all the time. Whenever one points something out that is unfortunate, not very entertaining, grindy, missing, or just plain bad... the aggressive fans are all over you in an instant. Giving you the "DB does his game, you can come along for the ride - you have to be hard, or its not worth it - you want everything on a silver platter" etc. treatment.
Part of the problem is that you do not need to have purchased Elite Dangerous to be able to post on the forums. I created this account to check if it was possible. These forums really should be read-only to players who have not bought the game.
A year of insider info and access to a large design document which has been fully detailed in peoples minds far beyond what is reasonable to achieve within time constraints. A bit like players of the original imagined vast galaxy's with amazing stories and alien races, only that was never anywhere but in their minds.
Late changes to assumed release formats causing people to pick fault in anything and everything complete or not. Also lots of high volume posters staying around after offline got pulled posting the same negative opinions again and again turning many a constuctive thread into one that gets closed or degrades into name calling
I'd say FD are so close to pulling off the original vision that the launch should in their eye's be a complete success. Doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer the game to have rudimentary wings included for launch though
If FD have failed it's in managing peoples expectations.
Late changes to assumed release formats causing people to pick fault in anything and everything complete or not. Also lots of high volume posters staying around after offline got pulled posting the same negative opinions again and again turning many a constuctive thread into one that gets closed or degrades into name calling
I'd say FD are so close to pulling off the original vision that the launch should in their eye's be a complete success. Doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer the game to have rudimentary wings included for launch though
If FD have failed it's in managing peoples expectations.
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As the game is subscription free, I would not expect that new players would be in much of a position to attempt to force anything upon Frontier. That is not to say that the views of the playerbase will necessarily be ignored.
Specifically to do with PvP, the size of the game world itself does not "help" players who seek out player / player combat. We'll see what happens with the faction homeworld player densities and the effects of injected events.
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While the Alpha forums were only accessible to Alpha backers, the link between game access and forum access was broken for Beta onwards.
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I have noticed that many of the complaining posts and threads are made by "Mostly Harmless" posters with little or no post history, especially during the whole refund hoohar. I am not saying there are no legitimate gripes, bugs and good constructive complaints or that you should be ignored if you have a low post count but how many are just here just to add fuel to arguments, sock puppet accounts, trolls etc?
Most other game companies forums I frequent are locked to read-only unless you have an active account to try and limit exactly those accounts.
It's caused by the general lack of engagement by FD. We are simply left to our own devices, properly moderated by the FD thought police of course.
Mostly that leaves is a despairing fan base looking for hope, and fanboi rhetoric turning that into anger.
Stopping the use of silly and inflammatory labels such as "fanboi" would go some way to reducing such anger I think, on both sides.
Which is why there are so many "Troll de lols" about....
Liking this thread so far....Nice to see so much friendliness (in the most part)
Well that's just the thing though isn't it? They haven't been "exposed as crappy ideas" - they are clearly crappy ideas in the minds of some but that doesn't make it true. But it's comments worded like that stated as a fact that just seem designed to provoke a reaction from some of the people who feel the opposite and post inflammatory stuff the other way.
I've been surprised at the depth of feeling on the extremes of all the regular flashpoint topics;
single v multi
what is an MMO?
Sandbox or not?
Where is my yaw? aka Newtonian wars
To name but a few..
But this is the internet - people will type things from behind the relative anonymity of the keyboard that they would word a lot more considerately in person.
So I suppose with the advent of more and more people it probably isn't that surprising that it's been getting steadily worse since pre-alpha and is unfortunately likely to continue in that direction..
Hi Jeff,
IMO the greatest problem of FD is loosing the growing community by lack of communication and PR. Actually Elite technically is having a proper technology and a solid basement for the vision of David Braben and the FD team. The point now is proper communication to the public and mention that all the amazing stuff and feature were planned and are in progress. I hope FD dont underestimate to ensure that the community is joining this great ride of Elite. Of course there are challenges and changes on this ride but again sharing the vision and showing that we already passed some great milestones already is key for the future of Elite. The worst thing what could happen now are misinterpretations of features and misunderstanding of visions and plans of ED. This can be solved by proper communication channels via regular updates, Dev Diaries (OMG I miss them so much
) by FD only.Best greetings,
MichaelT
It's been said many times that a lack of communication and a feeling of being mislead is the issue. FD may not have liked the backlash about canning single player, but you can't then punish everyone by not talking about anything else. We didn't cancel offline play, you did, some people were not happy about it (I didn't care or know there was going to be one originally, I was in it for multiplayer). You had to receive the feels for it, that's the deal, you get the money, you get the responsibility, you get the flak if it doesn't go as planned, you can't escape it, the community can't hide it, that's the deals.
So if there is more bad news, get on with it and take responsibility, if there is good news, cool things coming, tell us, so we can relax and go, "Well, this is coming in, that's alright." "This will be fun anyway, check X out."
Personally I'm far more forgiving on a consumer level if companies are direct and honest with me. The only time I get upset if the stonewall me with a lack of clear communication and answers.
So if there is more bad news, get on with it and take responsibility, if there is good news, cool things coming, tell us, so we can relax and go, "Well, this is coming in, that's alright." "This will be fun anyway, check X out."
Personally I'm far more forgiving on a consumer level if companies are direct and honest with me. The only time I get upset if the stonewall me with a lack of clear communication and answers.
Fanboi has clearly defined meaning :Someone who is hopelessly devoted to something and will like anything associated with their particular thing. In the context of this thread "Worrying trends on the forums" is entirely appropriate.
I don't think the vocal part critizing the game is made up of many people who not actually bought the game. All you early backers have to understand that a lot of the new guys expected more than flying around in space looking at stars and trading. The game lacks content right now, there is no denying it. If you are happy with the game in its current state, good for you, but don't talk down on others for not being content and asking for answers. I and im sure many others have been burned too many times by games which promise the world to you but not delivering in the end. Many of those games had its share of "fanboys" defending every aspect of the game praising the devs aswell. Be open for discussion even if you enjoy your corner of the galaxy.
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Also, the idea of having a snake jump out of your screen and biting your nose, so that it falls off, is clearly a crappy idea in the minds of some, but that doesn't necessarily make it true.