The police and their dim view of reckless vigilantes.
Worth a rant.
- Thread starter Seethe
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The police and their dim view of reckless vigilantes.
Well he is not working with any other bounty hunter!
I feel the OP's rage and see where he is coming from. As I've been about since early Beta, I can dogfight for an hour with a good chance of not aggro ing the cops nor losing too many bounties to the npc police as I usually seriously out-damage them.
However. The 'one shot on a copper' and instant (small) fine and instant death warrent as the cops change focus to you....should be balanced by if a cop 'accidentally' shoots you while you are latched on the tail of a wanted Anaconda at close range, HE should become wanted and fair game for you and his cop buddies. If one stands, so should the other.
Personally, I'd like to see a one hit grace, or maybe an on-the-spot fine that is instantly deducted, so the fine is placed and paid, so no bounty and no ganging up on you. Hit a cop several times, then you deserve the pain.
Regarding last hit claims the bounty, yes skilled play can deal with this, but as pointed out above, it discourages teamwork. At least i assume until wings come in, where wing mates will share each other's bounties assuming one of them gets the kill shot.
But if you drop into a nav point and see a cobra dukeing it out with an Anaconda, if you join in you arnt helping your trying to steal the kill. Hopefully, if you drop into that situation, a quick ship to ship hail can establish a wing of two for the fight.
So to summarise, in my opinion keep the fine for accidental shooting but make it on the spot and not punishable by death as the police do it a lot more to players, and keep last shot wins bounty as long as wings mean players can share the bounty.
However. The 'one shot on a copper' and instant (small) fine and instant death warrent as the cops change focus to you....should be balanced by if a cop 'accidentally' shoots you while you are latched on the tail of a wanted Anaconda at close range, HE should become wanted and fair game for you and his cop buddies. If one stands, so should the other.
Personally, I'd like to see a one hit grace, or maybe an on-the-spot fine that is instantly deducted, so the fine is placed and paid, so no bounty and no ganging up on you. Hit a cop several times, then you deserve the pain.
Regarding last hit claims the bounty, yes skilled play can deal with this, but as pointed out above, it discourages teamwork. At least i assume until wings come in, where wing mates will share each other's bounties assuming one of them gets the kill shot.
But if you drop into a nav point and see a cobra dukeing it out with an Anaconda, if you join in you arnt helping your trying to steal the kill. Hopefully, if you drop into that situation, a quick ship to ship hail can establish a wing of two for the fight.
So to summarise, in my opinion keep the fine for accidental shooting but make it on the spot and not punishable by death as the police do it a lot more to players, and keep last shot wins bounty as long as wings mean players can share the bounty.
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Eventually will end up with a mission system like eve-online. Scripted!
I was hoping for a mission system where a kill mission could be taken on by various pilots. I don't know about it and neither do they. If we all ended up trying to kill the target or targets (which could be human) then so be it but I'm not on their payroll and they are not on mine. Only my wings would be.
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Well said.
To look at it from another perspective, if we put ourselves in the shoes of the governments within the game, what legislation would we choose to settle this matter for the growing number of bounty hunters within the galaxy?
A fair system is attractive, because it keeps people relatively happy and contented, and errrrrrm... its fair.
A system which encourages reckless competiton and a lack of chivalry (like the existing 'all spoils to the last shot') has a number of disadvantages, not least, that its 'unfair'. By that I mean somebody can fly responsibly and honourably, do 99% of the work and some fly-by-night with a complete disregard for the safety of others, can swoop in and claim the kill.
As a governement, would you choose to reward a measured, workman like approach, or one that rewarded the reckless, self centred individuals, and actively encouraged further crime and bloodshed?
Okay, I understand the appeal of option two for you anarchists
but if the idea of the thing is to bring law to the lawless.I'm not really a fan of the last hit gets the kill. I like to get credit for what I did. I can't tell you how many times I unload hundreds of bullets at my target when they are -5% health only to get nothing except a bill for my ammo. Kill stealing has never been fun in any game imo. I mean if I really wanted to I can just outfit my eagle and sit and wait an hour for the AI to take down an Anaconda at the last second, but that is boring and exploitive imo.
I also wish trading was more lucrative more in the early game. Can't make a whole lot with such limited cargo, even more so when the economies are screwed up.
I really wish things weren't forced to be so boring, even combat as it's not nearly rewarding enough and still too buggy.
I'm still enjoying this game plenty though
I also wish trading was more lucrative more in the early game. Can't make a whole lot with such limited cargo, even more so when the economies are screwed up.
I really wish things weren't forced to be so boring, even combat as it's not nearly rewarding enough and still too buggy.
I'm still enjoying this game plenty though
Has anyone suggested turning off the 'report crimes against me' option? Police don't turn up. You don't shoot them. You get the kill.
Just a thought?
Just a thought?
yes i tend to agree Aleksej. Its a skill thing as you actually CAN work on getting the last shot. Besides: The mechanic works in both ways. IMHO its good as is.
on the friendly fire im with the op, it should be A BIT! more foregiving.
One problem, the bounty is for the kill not for damaging the targets ship.
Had anyone suggested reading the thread?
It fixes a small part of a bigger problem.
Time to time the police are already there or happen to fly by and a stray gatling shot hits them or just a civilian.
Actually the only way to achieve that is a scripted way where you play out your kill mission in a protected bubble.
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So if a civilian walks between the crossfire of a cop vs robber shootout and a stray shot from the police hits the civilian, does the cop go to prison.....Only in candyland....
Robert Maynard
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How would you suggest that it is handled if one player inadvertently hits another player while trying to hit a third ship?
Trouble here is that the AI doesn't seem to be scripted to avoid situations which lead to death. So they will happily suicide into you if you as much as bump their shields.
Sure some might attempt to warp out, after dumping their cargo, at like 5% hull hp. But not before trying their hardest to avenge the sanctity of their sacred shield.
Priorities!
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First post in this thread, middle, underscored.
Robert Maynard
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Yes, apologies for not re-reading the OP - it is, however, exploitable.... Especially if a wing of players is attacking a wanted ship and another bounty hunter gets in on the act - the wing could take turns to damage the newcomer without penalty.
The issue with ignoring stray hits is the determination of when an attacker should be considered hostile so that the target can retaliate....
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The topic always starts out that way - the difficulty is that determining a rule-set that covers all stray shot situations while at the same time allowing players to retaliate when hit is probably quite time consuming. The rule that we have at the moment, while unforgiving, is quite simple to apply and clear to all (if not necessarily agreed with).
Hi Seethe! Welcome.
For getting that last shot in, keep a multicannon handy. Not only are they good for knocking down hull in general, but the high rate of fire swings the odds greatly in your favour for that kill shot!
For getting that last shot in, keep a multicannon handy. Not only are they good for knocking down hull in general, but the high rate of fire swings the odds greatly in your favour for that kill shot!
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Those are already available as targeted bounty hunting missions. To assign a mission to every wanted ship would probably result in mission spam in the stations - and would fundamentally change the sometimes opportunistic nature of bounty hunting.
I'm not combat oriented, but wouldn't a beam weapon be best for the kill shot? Just thinking that it would be in constant contact and causing damage all the time, rather than as each round hits. As I say, I don't do combat so I may be off piste with that thought.
I have 3, still keep getting my kills stolen.
