Would getting a 970 make this game playable with the OC DK2

[crua9]

I'm thinking of getting a new graphics card down the road, and I was looking at the 970 to replace my AMD Radeon HD 6670.


Anyways, I'm trying to figure out if the 970 would make this game playable within the OC DK2. At this time, this game works great outside of the DK2. However, there is major lag, image problems, and the text is completely unreadable unless if the text is inches from your face.

Below is a link to what I see. You may have to zoom in on it. (Please notice the text. This is the biggest reason why it's unplayable) (I had to break the link apart due to the anti spam)


http://i0.wp.com/techreviewsandhelp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/images.jpg?fit=1200,1200


So, would the 970 make the text readable, make it where a another ship isn't just another odd few pixels, and would everything be smooth or gritty like in the picture?

Does anyone have any pictures of what they can see with their DK2 (I don't mean what the computer says you can see. I means what you really can see.)?


Lastly, is the 970 optimize for the DK2?

 

[crua9]

I forgot to add. The settings menu is worst when I am using the OC. Everything is pretty much a blur

 

[Stocker]

I have a Radeon hd 7800 series (7880) and my text is fine. But I am also looking at upgrading to the 970 as it is my price range and later i can get another to SLI. All the reviews that I have seen on Youtube have been a good indicator on its performance. The only thing that is stopping me from getting a 980 is the price. I read somewhere that with the 970 and the 980 is that if you get 2 970's or 2 980's and SLI them you can set them up so 1 GPU will render 1 eye while the other will render the other. this spreads the gpu load and creates better image.

 

[Karnath]

The 970 is a great companion to the DK2 but in my case i was still unable to run ED @ max settings without getting jitter in stations, but if shadow quality was turned down it was a very smooth experience. Although i overcame this issue by popping another 970 in for sli

I read somewhere that with the 970 and the 980 is that if you get 2 970's or 2 980's and SLI them you can set them up so 1 GPU will render 1 eye while the other will render the other. this spreads the gpu load and creates better image.

I think this is the future plan for drivers but as of yet to my knowledge there is no released version of a specific driver that renders each eye piece separately.

With regards to the viewing of text, changing hud colour certainly can help there are plenty of threads on how to achieve this kicking about, I personally tend to lean in towards the text which is also a big help other than running dsr or higher scaled resolution

 

[CMDR Holycow]

970 will get you Medium settings + AA.. which looks pretty damn good. Anything higher, and you start to dip below 75 and get judder, so it's not worth it. The card probably won't help the text be more readable. It's a side affect of the font they use, the color they use, the SIZE of the text they choose, and how close the screen is to your face with the SDE. Just make sure your HUD color is changed to bright green, and you will be good. My sweetFX settings also did quite a number on how sharp the text is, which made it noticably better to read as well.

 

[crua9]

I did change the Hud to green, and it did help a bit. But, I like to use other applications like Virtual Desktop. And I have the exact same problem with the text there.

Anyways, I would like to have the VR experience, but be able to sit back and actually read what's needed.

Also, is the high detail textures smooth? As seen in the picture. It looks like a super high detail 8 bit game when I look at it (and that's on all the settings). This makes it virtually impossible to fight or even fly in stations.
I'm a bit worried that this is simply a hardware thing with the OC resolution.


BTW everyone, thanks for your replies

 

[Thebadmf]

I have a KFA2 970. ED runs great at 1080p in Medium/high settings. I get a stable 75fps. I could up the settings to 1.2 DSR but it gets choppy in station which I don't tolerate as I play mainly as a trader.

I don't have amazing eyesight as my left eye is quite weak but, with Void's Settings from the switching tool I have no issues reading text. At all. The SDE is noticeable and the detail is lower than a non-OR mode but I honestly feel that the OR gives a superior experience because FD have done a mostly amazing job in crafting a solid, coherent cockpit. It puts you in the ship. Not in the game, in the ship.

 

[bonsek]

I'm thinking of getting a new graphics card down the road, and I was looking at the 970 to replace my AMD Radeon HD 6670.


Anyways, I'm trying to figure out if the 970 would make this game playable within the OC DK2. At this time, this game works great outside of the DK2. However, there is major lag, image problems, and the text is completely unreadable unless if the text is inches from your face.

Below is a link to what I see. You may have to zoom in on it. (Please notice the text. This is the biggest reason why it's unplayable) (I had to break the link apart due to the anti spam)


http://i0.wp.com/techreviewsandhelp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/images.jpg?fit=1200,1200
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So, would the 970 make the text readable, make it where a another ship isn't just another odd few pixels, and would everything be smooth or gritty like in the picture?

Does anyone have any pictures of what they can see with their DK2 (I don't mean what the computer says you can see. I means what you really can see.)?


Lastly, is the 970 optimize for the DK2?

I play with the DK2 on a single 970.
It would not make the text more readable, as for that you need to DSR 1.5 or higher (people with SLI). And mine struggles with DSR so I only run it at 1080.

But it will most definitely run smoother. I have ambient oclusion, AA, blur, bloom and shadows set to OFF. I have set reflection to medium or low (can't rememeber) and everything else is on High or Ultra.

 

[Soliluna]

970 will get you Medium settings + AA.. which looks pretty damn good. Anything higher, and you start to dip below 75 and get judder, so it's not worth it. The card probably won't help the text be more readable. It's a side affect of the font they use, the color they use, the SIZE of the text they choose, and how close the screen is to your face with the SDE. Just make sure your HUD color is changed to bright green, and you will be good. My sweetFX settings also did quite a number on how sharp the text is, which made it noticably better to read as well.

This is not my experience, 970 is certainly capable of high settings with shadows off. As long as you don't have shadows or ambient occlusion you will be maxing it - even with SLI I have shadows and ambient occlusion off (although ultra settings).

Text will not be any more readable as that is the DK2's problem not your graphics card. The VR SLI that was advertised and marketed doesn't even seem to be on the horizon.

The best way to increase readability of text is to supersample - anything more than 2x will not give a noticeable affect, with a single card you may need to drop some settings but it will make the text more readable.

I would avoid bloom (it blooms some of the hud that can make text harder to read), I would lean back when you recalibrate the DK2 so that you are closer to the text which will help greatly. And of course don't have blur on - ever, with the dk2.

I do not change the HUD colour to green - although what they say is true - green makes it more readable - i just don't need it. I can read it perfectly fine in orange and I don't like green interfaces. Personal preference, but if you have poor eye sight (mine is perfect) this may be required.

The 970 is a good upgrade and you will notice it, although I wouldn't make a purchase now - new GPU's will be coming shortly which inevitably means price drops and better price/perf. By shortly I mean in the order of 6 months - and if you consider Vive and CV1 will be nearing release specs you can make a more informed purchase about your future and potentially save yourself money.

I'm afraid getting pictures of what we see is pretty difficult but I will see what I can do with my phone camera later.


EDIT:

2 shots taken through lenses with phone, 1 direct screenshot.

 

[crua9]

2 shots taken through lenses with phone, 1 direct screenshot.

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Thanks for the pictures. It looks like there is a night and day difference when it comes to your and my picture.

I wonder if the devs are going to try to do something with the text in this game to make it better for OC users.

 

[nameBrandon]

This probably doesn't help too much, but I sent back my 970 and replaced it with a 980. If I turn DSR 1.5 on I need to drop shadows and a few other things to avoid jitter.. DSR 1.5 really had a significant impact on improving text readability. Along with changing the HUD colors, I'm not sure there's too much you can do beyond that point to make the text more legible.

 

[Soliluna]

Thanks for the pictures. It looks like there is a night and day difference when it comes to your and my picture.

I wonder if the devs are going to try to do something with the text in this game to make it better for OC users.

I have heard people saying that they are looking to split up the HUD so that you can change colours easier - it makes sense that they would also add options to make text easier to read too for oculus users.

Regarding the text - its not as easy as it looks, because its impossible to really show it with a picture. That is running dsr x2 (over 1080) which is the only setting over than bloom that really has an effect on the HUD. All the other settings do nothing (to the HUD readability) in my experience - except of course for super sampling which is the same thing as DSR except it doesn't perform as well; and of course AA which is a similar performance hit to super sampling. DSR is the best option and both AA and DSR together provides negligible extra clarity (to the HUD).

AA of course gets rid of a lot of jaggies but with DSR it's effect is minor compared to how much of a performance hit it gives.

I have to say though - the game does look gorgeous when you have the settings up and while the HUD is a pita the rest of the galaxy is so gorgeous it's easy to ignore.

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This probably doesn't help too much, but I sent back my 970 and replaced it with a 980. If I turn DSR 1.5 on I need to drop shadows and a few other things to avoid jitter.. DSR 1.5 really had a significant impact on improving text readability. Along with changing the HUD colors, I'm not sure there's too much you can do beyond that point to make the text more legible.

If you turn off shadows completely you would likely be able to do DSR x2. Shadows still exist in the game in this way (the big ones on planets and the atmospheric darkness/brightness in ships) but the game runs so much faster.

I find a lot of the shadows really aliased in Oculus even when they are on Ultra so just don't use them at all.

 

[nameBrandon]

If you turn off shadows completely you would likely be able to do DSR x2. Shadows still exist in the game in this way (the big ones on planets and the atmospheric darkness/brightness in ships) but the game runs so much faster.

I find a lot of the shadows really aliased in Oculus even when they are on Ultra so just don't use them at all.

Nice! I'll give it a try.. Right now I'm using Nvidia panel to do DSR and then doing it in-game (supersampling) as well (both @ 1.5).. is that not the right way to do it? I wasn't sure if I should do them both, or just nvidia control panel..

 

[crua9]

I forgot to ask. On mine, it shows the stars twinkling. While it's a nice effect, I was wondering. Is that an effect of a crappy graphics card or really in game?

 

[Soliluna]

Nice! I'll give it a try.. Right now I'm using Nvidia panel to do DSR and then doing it in-game (supersampling) as well (both @ 1.5).. is that not the right way to do it? I wasn't sure if I should do them both, or just nvidia control panel..

The most effective way I found was DSR @ 2x and supersampling at 1.0x for the best framerate - the look is pretty much identical but the performance is really noticeable.

I forgot to ask. On mine, it shows the stars twinkling. While it's a nice effect, I was wondering. Is that an effect of a crappy graphics card or really in game?

Twinkling: not that I have noticed, this is likely when the rendered output is dropping pixels to fit the resolution of the display and it looks like twinkling, at a higher resolution this would likely stop happening as this does not happen on mine.

 

[CMDR Holycow]

This is not my experience, 970 is certainly capable of high settings with shadows off. As long as you don't have shadows or ambient occlusion you will be maxing it - even with SLI I have shadows and ambient occlusion off (although ultra settings).

Why would you do that? Shadows make the game look SOO much better. I would rather run shadows on medium, than no-shadows on high.

And to the op... getting a different video card is not going to help the short commings of resolution, SDE, and pixel density of the DK2. Maybe if you run a REALLY high-end setup, maybe 980s in SLI... you could super sample. But in my book, it is a waste of money. Don't buy twin 980s right now for $1000... wait until the CV1 comes out and buy whatever the two best cards you get for $1000 at THAT time. You will end up with a better kit, come CV1 release day. Fow now, I am getting by with a single 970.

 

[crua9]

wait until the CV1 comes out and buy whatever the two best cards you get for $1000 at THAT time. You will end up with a better kit, come CV1 release day. Fow now, I am getting by with a single 970.

Just to let you know, the CV1 has been coming out "soon" for a stupid long time now. They aren't even giving the year it will be released. (Every time I read one of these post that says it will be out x time. It turns out they were trying to read between the lines in some article or rumor mill, and they didn't take the face value of what's being said. In fact, recently I seen a dozen post and rumor mill articles saying it was going to be announce this past week.)


Anyways, for me. I'm buying a single video card due to money. I can't afford $1000 for a card that I would be just using for this game, and maybe Star Citizen when it comes out.

 

[crua9]

So I'm thinking about getting this type.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=1970559082&pf_rd_i=desktop

Would anyone object to it and say that's a bad move?

 

[Karnath]

Great choice of card, I'm sure you will be more than happy with it

 

[crua9]

Great choice of card, I'm sure you will be more than happy with it

Thanks. I just bought it. It will be in on the 13

I needed a new card anyways because my current several year old card is given out. Every so often the video goes out for a super split second. (I know this could be a driver problem, but the timing is random and for no reason.)