Would the game be better without this forum?

HailVectron

HailVectron
Good replies all - I probably should have qualified the post by saying that obviously Galnet, and in game comms would be vastly different/better - I'm not saying "no Internet but the game is the same".

The specific point is about the galaxy - would it be a better, richer place if your only source of info was Cmdr word of mouth and (a much more in-depth) Galnet.
 

CMDR Endincite

CMDR Endincite
The specific point is about the galaxy - would it be a better, richer place if your only source of info was Cmdr word of mouth and (a much more in-depth) Galnet
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So I assume you mean word of mouth ingame somehow? Through all the baggage that comes with a forum, that is what people do here. If the same 'wideband' means of spreading information between players were available ingame...well it would be a forum by definition, and quickly start to absorb the baggage that forums assume. I can't see why or how it wouldn't.
 
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HailVectron

HailVectron
CMDR Endincite said:
So I assume you mean word of mouth ingame somehow? Through all the baggage that comes with a forum, that is what people do here. If the same 'wideband' means of spreading information were available ingame...well it would be a forum by definition, and quickly start to absorb the baggage that forums assume. I can't see why or how it wouldn't.
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I don't know - pilot to pilot comms in-game isn't wideband, and Galnet is 'read only', so I don't see the parallel? When squadrons arrive, we might get a noticeboard for your own squadron, but again, that's likely to be write-once-read-many (written by the squadron leader for instance), but that is just enough I think, and would make me want to be in a squadron.
 

Kigre

Kigre
Id be more (God, this politically correct forum angers me) FURIOUS if i had to find all the things not working properly in this game by myself.

This forum have saved me ALOT of aggravated time.
 
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CMDR Endincite

CMDR Endincite
That's rather what I mean though. Pilot to pilot is as close to useless as can be for spreading information. I've run across thousands ingame by now, had a word ingame with maybe a hundred or so...no one ever taught me anything, had a tip or whatnot. It's an enormous setting to relying on one-to-one word of mouth. It doesn't function IRL on any scale larger than a tiny town.

Edit: to illustrate. So there's something interesting in Maia (before it was a centre of events). The chances of running into someone who's been to Maia *randomly* in their travels? Incredibly small.

Thus you seem to need something more broadly visible while being open...and then you're in a forum. So I'm wondering what you hope to add.
Squadron comms is indeed a step toward something viable.
 
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Cmdr Eagleboy

Cmdr Eagleboy
CMDR Endincite said:
That's rather what I mean though. Pilot to pilot is as close to useless as can be for spreading information. I've run across thousands ingame by now, had a word ingame with maybe a hundred or so...no one ever taught me anything, had a tip or whatnot. It's an enormous setting to relying on one-to-one word of mouth. It doesn't function IRL on any scale larger than a tiny town.

This you seem to need something more broadly visible while being open...and then you're in a forum. So I'm wondering what you hope to add.
Squadron comms is indeed a step toward something viable.
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Squadron comms won't solve people not sharing info in game.
 

CMDR Endincite

CMDR Endincite
Cmdr Eagleboy said:
Squadron comms won't solve people not sharing info in game.
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Indeed not. I mean to say that one-to-one would hardly work even if they did. Squadrons as a larger sharing unit could spread info ingame, if that were the only way, vastly more quickly.

I should have worded differently - the numbers were rather meant to represent the rarity of running into someone who actually knows something unique, out of the tiny subset of players you might actually run into ingame even in 3 years of daily play. For any given "neat thing" to propagate to enough people using current comms to have been, well, worth developing in the first place, would take an obscenely long time.

Apologies I got to thinking how ingame word of mouth could even be made to function reasonably, rather than chiming in my opinion on it being a good idea or not.
 
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Achilles7

Banned
Achilles7
Well...I'd probably still be trying to unlock most of the engineers.

I played for the first three or so months without using the forums, 3rd party tools & YT; when I finally 'gave in' I learned about FAOFF, ADS for discovering invisible planets, how to find specific modules/ships/commodities for sale, Robigo (for the fun gameplay - the cash was just a bonus![big grin]) etc etc

While I don't regret that initial decision because I really enjoyed the trial & error process - although nostalgia conveniently tends to blank-out the 'where's my hammer?' moments - the game is immeasurably more complex now & if I started playing today, I would definitely be oblivious to so many features without the forums. I'd go so far as to say it is now essential to a full experience since 2.1.

The forums are an invaluable tool in moderation - imo using them to fast-track everything is a bit lame. For example, the first black hole I found by pure luck was just amazing & I think checking the forums to find one discovered by someone else devalues the whole experience. The same applies with many aspects of the game ie max profit trade routes - really?

Discovering things for oneself is half the fun in Elite...sometimes!![blah]
 

wenkman

wenkman
no, aand no.

the game without the forum would not work.

not for me. as a player with little time i have to make to most of it. Without hints whats out there i would miss 70% of the content. and i don't want to miss that content.

not for the game. a multiplayer game needs a community and one or several places for that community to commune AND to rage. that causes attention for the game which it needs to stay alive.

i think this forum is an essential part of the game.
 

CMDR Pugwash

CMDR Pugwash
You have a point. But I think FD rely on the community to generate content, or at least drive it. I personally would prefer the alternative but that would require more work. ED would be more of a single player game with some multiplayer added. That would suit my play style better but I am sure it would not suit many of you.
 
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Joe Akeem

Joe Akeem
Instead of proving you're not a robot when logging in, you're faced with a couple of questions to establish your ability to distinguish the difference between 'constructive criticism' and 'entitled whining'...

Where's the door...[where is it]
 

Darkfyre99

Darkfyre99
Nope. With the advent paying per month for internet access, I've always considered participating in the forums part of an online game. Its a way of engaging with other players outside the game, to hear rumors and news, and to participate in discussions about the future of the game, including game balance.

Before the days of mobile devices, I had to choose between participating on the forums and playing the game. Usually, I'd drop in on the forums during breakfast before work, drop in again while waiting for my meal to cook, and then play the game. These days, I can drop in on the forums wherever I am, if I have a free moment. Waiting to pick someone up? Forum. On break at work? Forum. Waiting for an appointment with my doctor? Forum. One of the ironies these days is that on a workday, I actually have more time to participate on the forum, than I do to actually play the game.
 
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