Would you like to see a combat logout timer introduced?

[Jackboot]

There is no promise you get to pop anyone you can Interdict. You just have to buck up and play on. This is silliness.

There is also no promise that every pilot gets endless immortality in any situation by pressing Alt+F4 either.

I don't care about a self-serving poll. The whole thread is just an attempt to pull E: D into the orbit of all the other games out there. The Dev's, I, and many others, don't want to see that. Why is someone not letting you pop their ship an issue?

Why is it an issue? REALLY?

You think maybe, just maybe, having a ship disappear before your very eyes in the middle of a pitched battle might be just a little bit immersion breaking?

Maybe just a little bit???

Yeah, that might be an issue.

 

[flosculus]

I don't care about a self-serving poll. The whole thread is just an attempt to pull E: D into the orbit of all the other games out there. The Dev's, I, and many others, don't want to see that. Why is someone not letting you pop their ship an issue? Cowardice is everywhere. Adapt, and move on. That's what you would expect your victim to do.

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Who cares? You can think I eat babies for breakfast for all I care. The point remains that you are getting worked up over nothing. Go and enjoy the game instead of agonizing over another players cowardice. Get over it, and play on. The Galaxy doesn't care.

Who cares? Well I do, and so do a lot of people judgng from the poll. And most importantly "you care". Common, its OK to admit you do it. At least then you'd be being honest about why you're in favour of it.

 

[Dogoncrook]

I don't care about a self-serving poll. The whole thread is just an attempt to pull E: D into the orbit of all the other games out there. The Dev's, I, and many others, don't want to see that. Why is someone not letting you pop their ship an issue? Cowardice is everywhere. Adapt, and move on. That's what you would expect your victim to do.

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Who cares? You can think I eat babies for breakfast for all I care. The point remains that you are getting worked up over nothing. Go and enjoy the game instead of agonizing over another players cowardice. Get over it, and play on. The Galaxy doesn't care.

Dude talking about it, isn't getting worked up over nothing. Seeing a thread that supposedly doesn't effect you, and then getting into an argument, is getting worked up over nothing. Take your own advice.

 

[Mohrgan]

There is also no promise that every pilot gets endless immortality in any situation by pressing Alt+F4 either.



Why is it an issue? REALLY?

You think maybe, just maybe, having a ship disappear before your very eyes in the middle of a pitched battle might be just a little bit immersion breaking?

Maybe just a little bit???

Yeah, that might be an issue.

Immersion..... That word should be throw in the trash along with Exploit, Bug and all the other buzz words thrown around. What I'm saying is, It's not worth soiling your self over. You lost one, he/she's a coward, so what? Move on. There is no guarantees for any one. Brush it off and move on. Self Righteous Indignation is not a positive attitude.

 

[Distance]

I don't care about a self-serving poll. The whole thread is just an attempt to pull E: D into the orbit of all the other games out there. The Dev's, I, and many others, don't want to see that. Why is someone not letting you pop their ship an issue? Cowardice is everywhere. Adapt, and move on. That's what you would expect your victim to do.

I'm sure the Devs didn't intend hitting alt+f4 to be a feature, doing that in combat is an exploit end of story.

If you can't see how it's a problem to people who have opted in to open play then it's pointless arguing with you.

If you want player interactions without pvp then join the pve group. If you don't want player interactions then play solo. You can't have it both ways. If you opt in to open you should face any consequences good or bad and by combat logging you are ruining the experience for other people . If you think getting killed by another player is wrong then you have plenty of other options.

 

[Mohrgan]

Dude talking about it, isn't getting worked up over nothing. Seeing a thread that supposedly doesn't effect you, and then getting into an argument, is getting worked up over nothing. Take your own advice.

It wouldn't suit me to have my side of this conversation missing, it would only suit you. That's why.

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I'm sure the Devs didn't intend hitting alt+f4 to be a feature, doing that in combat is an exploit end of story.

If you can't see how it's a problem to people who have opted in to open play then it's pointless arguing with you.

If you want player interactions without pvp then join the pve group. If you don't want player interactions then play solo. You can't have it both ways. If you opt in to open you should face any consequences good or bad and by combat logging you are ruining the experience for other people . If you think getting killed by another player is wrong then you have plenty of other options.

Lol, "End of story". Absolutism at it's finest. I agree that if you don;t want PK's popping your ship, play in one of the other options. That said I still believe that this whole, Punish them for breaking my immersion is childish. You lose some, move on. The Galaxy doesn't care.

 

[Distance]

Lol, "End of story". Absolutism at it's finest. I agree that if you don;t want PK's popping your ship, play in one of the other options. That said I still believe that this whole, Punish them for breaking my immersion is childish. You lose some, move on. The Galaxy doesn't care.

It is absolutism. They removed the asteroid exploit in the game where you could farm platinum by logging in and out. Combat logging in open play is another exploit and should be fixed. I personally don't play a player killer style game and rarely fire on other players but I understand that by playing in open it's a risk that is part of the game. Any other online game like dayz, eve etc has a mechanism to dissuade this type of play and it should be in ED. The fact that they have a 15 second timers to quit from the menu means that they're trying to see what the best way is to deal with this behaviour. They've obviously not got it right yet as alt+f4 still works.

If there's any kind of exploit in an online game it's going to get abused and the best thing frontier can do right now is to nip it in the bud asap. Add in a 1 minute timer minimum and it should be job done. Just make sure there is adequate warning when you boot up open play and it's end of story.

 

[Antmax]

An open world where you can do what you like? Including the option of not participating in it and the expense of others.
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If I understand this thing right, these people rack up many thousands in bounties and become 'wanted' then they avoid the debt collectors. Guess that is what they call fun and we want to penalise them for it. Why? because it makes the bounty hunting and policing aspect of the game pretty stupid chasing "criminals" with no chance of catching them. In my opinion the people concerned are not participating players, the reputations etc that they protect are unfairly earned and other players enjoyment is nullified by their lack of involvement. If the plug is pulled then they blow up and the insurance replaces their ship if they want it to. If its mid combat and the other party loses out on the bounty so be it, they are not going to get it anyway if the plug is pulled. Reputation, money, clean game staus or whatever is gained by the action is also lost which would make the act pointless.
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If they quit then they forfeit, gone!

If it was my game I'd force them to pay their own bounty to the person they quit on out of their own money. If they can't cough up then they have the choice of losing their ship or an upgrade of their choice to cover the cost.

 

[WalterHWhite]

> That said I still believe that this whole, Punish them for breaking my immersion is childish. You lose some, move on. The Galaxy doesn't care.

Nor will the galaxy care when these people are penalised. It's not childish to suggest it either. Indifference isn't a compelling argument.

 

[MARPATdroid]

Voted no because there is already one implemented, and re-implementing something that works is just silly.

 

[Mohrgan]

It is absolutism. They removed the asteroid exploit in the game where you could farm platinum by logging in and out. Combat logging in open play is another exploit and should be fixed. I personally don't play a player killer style game and rarely fire on other players but I understand that by playing in open it's a risk that is part of the game. Any other online game like dayz, eve etc has a mechanism to dissuade this type of play and it should be in ED. The fact that they have a 15 second timers to quit from the menu means that they're trying to see what the best way is to deal with this behaviour. They've obviously not got it right yet as alt+f4 still works.

If there's any kind of exploit in an online game it's going to get abused and the best thing frontier can do right now is to nip it in the bud asap. Add in a 1 minute timer minimum and it should be job done. Just make sure there is adequate warning when you boot up open play and it's end of story.

It's the fuss that makes me comment. Alt-F4 is an exploit, I get it. Going all crazy to punish people for it is useless. The issue seems to stem from some kind of entitlement issue to me. You knew what you were getting into. Sour Grapes shouldn't change things.

 

[Distance]

Voted no because there is already one implemented, and re-implementing something that works is just silly.

There's one if you use the menu, if you kill the process it's an instant disconnect hence why people are discussing it. Combat logging via the exit menu if fair play due to the time (even if 15 seconds is a little too short) it's by killing the process negating the timer that people have the problem with and the purpose of the poll.

It's the fuss that makes me comment. Alt-F4 is an exploit, I get it. Going all crazy to punish people for it is useless. The issue seems to stem from some kind of entitlement issue to me. You knew what you were getting into. Sour Grapes shouldn't change things.

I think the fuss stems from people not seeing that it's a problem and want to defend their ability to exploit the system.

 

[Dogoncrook]

It wouldn't suit me to have my side of this conversation missing, it would only suit you. That's why.

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Lol, "End of story". Absolutism at it's finest. I agree that if you don;t want PK's popping your ship, play in one of the other options. That said I still believe that this whole, Punish them for breaking my immersion is childish. You lose some, move on. The Galaxy doesn't care.

So your side is the ability to cheat or That you can get bent out of shape and other people can't?

My point was that people talking about this and their opinions on it aren't whining. The only person here that seems upset about anything is you.

Argue your points, but don't come here telling everyone they are acting like children because it's not a topic you want discussed.

 

[Dogoncrook]

It's the fuss that makes me comment. Alt-F4 is an exploit, I get it. Going all crazy to punish people for it is useless. The issue seems to stem from some kind of entitlement issue to me. You knew what you were getting into. Sour Grapes shouldn't change things.

Why would we assume before we bought this that fd would make no effort to combat cheaters? Frankly if I had even a hint That it would end up this way I wouldn't have bought it, and when somone asks if they should buy the game it's one of the first things I mention on why they shouldn't buy this till significant progress is made. Because you see to most people saying an online game doesn't do anything to mitigate cheating is a clear red flag and conjures up images of some of the less successful images of online gaming. You may not have much experience with online games but they hit a stage where people have mostly done everything and the cheat starts becoming very common, till it defines the game really. It becomes pervasive, and this issue itself has grown quite rapidly since beta as the front page of the forums demonstrate, something you are aware of because that's your stated reason for being here, because there is so much whining about it as you say. More people are doing it as word gets out that the devs don't care.

 

[Cowboy Bats]

If you don't want pvp you play solo or grouped such as morbius pve group. Putting a proper logout timer into open is the logical solution.

Do you guys just not read or what? There is no way to implement this ala Dayz. It's a simple case of client server architecture vs p2p networking. There is no central server running an instance for the logged player to remain connected to in Elite. The central server is just passing minimal information to and from players to create direct connections to each other, as opposed to them being jointly connected to a server.

 

[CaptainSeriousFun]

Yerp! I'm in!

 

[crushdepth]

There already is a 15 second logout timeout.

They won't be happy until the timer is ten minutes long.

 

[Lanatir]

Sure. The day they bring back pure offline mode you can have all the logoff timers you want.

 

[Distance]

Do you guys just not read or what? There is no way to implement this ala Dayz. It's a simple case of client server architecture vs p2p networking. There is no central server running an instance for the logged player to remain connected to in Elite. The central server is just passing minimal information to and from players to create direct connections to each other, as opposed to them being jointly connected to a server.

If this is the case then the alt+f4 exploit will always be in the game and they will pretty much kill pvp for most serious players.

They won't be happy until the timer is ten minutes long.

We're not talking about the 15 second timer we're talking about killing the process to bypass the timer. I personally think 1 minute minimum and 3 minutes maximum is more than adequate.

Sure. The day they bring back pure offline mode you can have all the logoff timers you want.

How is this in any way related to offline? Sure lack off offline mode sucks but as it's been said hundreds of times before there is a solo mode or private groups for people who want to avoid pvp whilst interacting with other like minded players. Playing in open and then combat logging and trying to justify it because there's no offline mode is insane.

 

[kurush]

If this is the case then the alt+f4 exploit will always be in the game and they will pretty much kill pvp for most serious players.

It won't kill it for serious players because serious players don't Alt-F4 It certainly will kill it for kiddies who just came here to annoy people though and it is a good thing. I think they do need to introduce "I want to PvP" flag thought visible to other commanders and remove insurance for PvP fights, that might get you guys somewhere.