X55 Throttle Help

Hirokage

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Did a fair bit of searching.. was simply frustrating, would love some help on this. I have the X55 Rhino, and out of the box with this game.. worked great. Remapped many controls with a popular profile, and seemed to go well. A few days ago, was changing one control... and that may have completely hosed my settings. Had to restore X55 defaults.. remapped everything.. still didn't work. The throttle (locked together) when pulled back, does not stop my ship. There is still throttle. And my ship seems to be going sideways as well.. hard to tell what it is doing, without an outside view to watch. So.. I removed the joystick via hardware settings.. restarted.. still same thing.

If I unlock the throttle and just use the left.. it does the same thing.. the right side does nothing. What am I missing here?

Also, some clarity on thrust vs. throttle would be great. I am assuming that thrust is for maneuvering.. and throttle is just that, throttle. Also, even if I map reverse throttle.. does nothing. Is there some trick with the X55? Or an OS oddity? Or something I am just doing that is stupid? Any help would be -greatly- appreciated.. the game is not even playable at this point.
 

Extrasmooth

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That sounds like it might be a fault with the throttle unit on your X55. If you haven't already try using the setup software to see if that correctly recognises input from both throttle sticks as that will tell you if the problem is with the hardware or with the profile.

Talking about throttle vs thrust is very contextual but the way I normally view it is that throttle is just another form of thrust i.e. if you think about the ship movement axis in 3 dimensions throttle effectively controls thrust along the plane in which the spaceship is facing. This can be simplified to be thought of in terms of speed but really in Newtonian physics all forms of thrust add some "speed" relative to something else; the only thing that makes throttle special is it adds thrust along the facing of the spaceship.

You'll want to ensure that you can control all of your thrusters easily through the HOTAS, especially in combat as using other thrusters as well as the standard throttle, pitch, roll & yaw can really make a difference in dogfights.
 
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Hominin

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Hirokage said:
Did a fair bit of searching.. was simply frustrating, would love some help on this. I have the X55 Rhino, and out of the box with this game.. worked great. Remapped many controls with a popular profile, and seemed to go well. A few days ago, was changing one control... and that may have completely hosed my settings. Had to restore X55 defaults.. remapped everything.. still didn't work. The throttle (locked together) when pulled back, does not stop my ship. There is still throttle. And my ship seems to be going sideways as well.. hard to tell what it is doing, without an outside view to watch. So.. I removed the joystick via hardware settings.. restarted.. still same thing.

If I unlock the throttle and just use the left.. it does the same thing.. the right side does nothing. What am I missing here?

Also, some clarity on thrust vs. throttle would be great. I am assuming that thrust is for maneuvering.. and throttle is just that, throttle. Also, even if I map reverse throttle.. does nothing. Is there some trick with the X55? Or an OS oddity? Or something I am just doing that is stupid? Any help would be -greatly- appreciated.. the game is not even playable at this point.
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if it is that severe, i would also say there is something wrong with the throttle. mine gets confused occasionally too but just pushing the throttle forwards a little and then pulling it back usually sorts it out for me.
 

Hexcaliber

Hexcaliber
A couple of points; if you have mapped reverse throttle on a separate control it wont do anything until you zero out the forward throttle and only if you have set the appropriate setting under the games control options, there is a setting there that requires you press a button before you can apply reverse thrust. Second, assuming you are using the mouse hat for thrusters, make sure you add some dead zone to it in the profiler, they are not the most precise control in the world and can result in drifting without a little dead zone, think of thrusters as strafe controls, they are small jets on the ship that allow the ship to move left, right, up, down relative to the ships axis.
 
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Eleazaros

Eleazaros
Download the software to configure the X55 and play with it a bit.

Check and make sure (via the test configs) that nothing is "sticking" (in other words: assign a macro to a control, use the test window, move the stick/hit that button - see if it starts and stops as it should).

The sticks can be assigned 'deadzones' which may be necessary to adjust with some control use. Otherwise it's sending "just off the center" information to the game meaning a slight turn to the right or left is always going once it "returns to center" being as it's slightly OFF center from the controllers perspective.

Thurst are maneuvering thrusters - throttle is main-engine speed. So if you're turning at speed and use maneuvering thrusters at the same time, you can bank faster. They push up, down, left and right while the throttle controls speed of movement, mostly forward but also with respect to those thrusters.
 

Barinthus

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cyborg Fly 5

I am also having an issue with my Cyborg fly 5 Joystick after the 1.04 update.

Before the update my throttle control worked fine, it was smooth acceleration and deceleration, I could hold a steady mid speed as well, I think I only had to bind the throttle to the increase throttle in the controls on ED. But after the update I found that my throttle no longer responds correctly, its either full on or off and in some case it slams me into reverse, quite annoying when taking off inside a space station. I've checked and rechecked the ED settings even played about with the dead zone and made sure it was in forward only not full range.

I've checked the calibration in windows and the throttle stick registers fine, smooth up and down and even registers mid way on the graphic.

For now I have had to map increase and decrease on the number pad of my keyboard.
I know its not the perfect flight stick but when on a budget needs must.
Any cmdrs out there have any ideas?
 

Scooth

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I have had problems too with the X-55

1. Buy a USB powered extension, I bought one from best Buy for $25. Stopped all the random button pressing.
2. Watch the gap between the throttle, the top has a tendency to come together. When that happens the left throttle comes off the track at the bottom near 0% throttle. I put a cigarette butt in it but any thing to keep the same distance between the two all the way.
3. Creaking and groaning from the flight stick, loosen the nut that attaches it to the base.
4. There are more buttons than you can use, dont map rotational correction! No use for it, if your in a station it will make you look like you have thrusters at full to one side.

Hope this helps
 

Hirokage

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Barinthus - yea, same thing. It used to smoothly accelerate and decelerate, but now if I slowly increase throttle, it does nothing.. and then it slams full forward. Same in reverse. If you watch the throttle in the ship, you can see him move it only halfway.. and also just slams forward to full. I'll mess around in SC and see if it's operating correctly there.
 

Zebarmy

Zebarmy
Check you haven't got forward/reverse thrust bound to a rotary. If you have, make sure that rotary is centred. If it works properly in SC, then that's a good test, as thrust controls don't get used in SC.

I have both throttle and thrust bound (thrust on the G Spin), I use the thrust for reverse and forward adjustments when in combat or docking.
 

FortySe7en

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Let me tell you (and anyone having issues with X55 this):
My X55 did NOT work (couldnt install drivers properly) at all until I plugged it into a POWERED USB hub.
A hub for 10 pounds (14 euro) from amazon or so.

These devices need a lot of power to work, USB hub helps with many issues (such as drivers, ghosting of buttons etc.)
If any software changes and reinstalls do not help you, just get that USB hub and see. Worst case you'll have a powered USB hub :)
 

MartinW

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Before you do anything, go into game controllers on Windows, and check that throttle and all buttons are functional. The instructions to do this are in the manual for the X55, from the Saitek web site. Always refer to the instruction that come with any device first, before messing about.

http://www.saitek.com/uk/down/drivers.php

Install the drivers too...

http://www.saitek.com/uk/down/drivers.php

The manual is your first port of call.

Be careful when you install the drivers, the utility to do so is manky. A screen appears first that looks like it's telling you to plug in. It's not, wait for the second screen that tells you to plug in. That one messed my installation up.
 
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MartinW

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I've never heard of any issues installing drivers as a result of not using USB 3 or a hub, only ghost key presses. Usually the driver issues are because the installer is confusing.
 
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