You're killing your own game, FDev.

[Mohrgan]

And yet FDev has shown in the past that they've tweaked or fixed missions without having to remove them entirely. Case in point: Quince. Passenger missions triggered a gold rush. Missions were deactivated in Quince, but not EVERY SINGLE MISSION IN THE GAME.

Sorry if I didn't seem civil, I was only trying to make a point.

This time they are handling it differently. It's not hard to see why. Skimmers, and Mining, not every single mission in the game. Get a grip. Your point appears to be contrived outrage, based on a total misunderstanding of what's happening. Is that the point you were trying to make?

 

[Maka Gucci]

And yet FDev has shown in the past that they've tweaked or fixed missions without having to remove them entirely. Case in point: Quince. Passenger missions triggered a gold rush. Passenger missions were deactivated in Quince, but not EVERY SINGLE MISSION IN THE GAME.

Sorry if I didn't seem civil, I was only trying to make a point.

I imagine em playing Operation, and just using a mallet instead of tweezers.

 

[Mohrgan]

Jesus I just logged out last night and now the game is dead.

Thanks Braben!

Again, it must be Sir TJ's fault. Get with the program already.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

And yet FDev has shown in the past that they've tweaked or fixed missions without having to remove them entirely. Case in point: Quince. Passenger missions triggered a gold rush. Passenger missions were deactivated in Quince, but not EVERY SINGLE MISSION IN THE GAME.

Sorry if I didn't seem civil, I was only trying to make a point.

They havent removed every single mission in the game.

What is wrong with people?

 

[blaze53]

Ah, yes. I forgot. The Elite forums aren't here for actual discussions and alternate views and opinions. Nope, just mock the guy for it. Let's just treat him like crap and the mods don't give a damn, right?

They havent removed every single mission in the game.

What is wrong with people?

Every single passenger mission. Reading comprehension, sir.

 

[John Xenir]

DOOOOOOOM!
Yours wasn't big enough.

Right back at ya:

Also, while we're having fun:

 

[Mohrgan]

Ah, yes. I forgot. The Elite forums aren't here for actual discussions and alternate views and opinions. Nope, just mock the guy for it. Let's just treat him like crap and the mods don't give a damn, right?

Sure, it has nothing to do with going overboard. Na, it couldn't be that. You're safe in the knowledge that it's all the Forum's fault.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Ah, yes. I forgot. The Elite forums aren't here for actual discussions and alternate views and opinions. Nope, just mock the guy for it. Let's just treat him like crap and the mods don't give a damn, right?

That's because there is no discussion needed. We know the reasons why, we know they are working on them and we know they will be back in the game in the next couple of patches. Not much more to discuss is there, so no need to get your knickers in a twist. And the game isn't doomed becasue a couple of mission types are now missing from the mission board.

 

[LeoBartlet]

Seriously at this point the mods just need to have one massive thread like hotel california where everyone who is cross at the latest nerfs or mission removals can congregate.

How the hell is a casual forum user like myself supposed to see the latest steam stats, open letters or buff my favourite ship threads when every man and his thargoid are creating crap threads because of the above reasons.

 

[blaze53]

Sure, it has nothing to do with going overboard. Na, it couldn't be that. You're safe in the knowledge that it's all the Forum's fault.

I sure am, because fears of what the game will become down the line if things like these keep popping up are automatically null and void if support for FDev isn't 100% obvious because someone dared think things aren't being perfectly handled.

 

[jasonbirder]

Passenger missions suck now. Boy, traveling dozens of thousands of light years for 5 million credits is such fun.

I'm fairly certain that whether they're "fun" or whether they "s*ck" is an intrinsic part of the Mission...In NO WAY tied to the Mission reward...whether they're "fun" or whether they "s*ck" applies just the same if they're paying 5 million/50 million/500 million credits...right???

I never bothered with those missions

Ahhh...OK...just ranting then! Fair enough

Whoop, mining missions started paying a bunch. Better remove those.

Nope...because of the commodities rewards Mining Missions could get stuck in a feedback loop where completing one mission meant completion of the next and the next and the next and the next (ad infinitum) an obvious bug that needed fixing...I'm SURE they'll be back...but in the meantime...you know, if you LIKE mining...you can still go maining and the payout for the 3 Ps is still OK...so from a gameplay point of view...nothing is (temporarily) lost...am I right?

things get changed around to make PvP less viable. Man, staring at NPCs that do the same things and say the same things all day is such fun. Easy PvE is where it's at amirite?

Are you genuinely moaning that the Engineering changes and mat Traders have made PVP LESS viable because its more of a level playing field or am i missing something else here? As for PvP vs PvE you're essentially talking about the difference between semi-competent dogfighting in an unrealistic setting (dogfighting between 1vs 1 in peer ships) and incompetent dogfighting in a more realistic setting...and I have a sneaking suspension that it would be easier for Frontier to improve the enemy AI...than it will to change the behaviourand mindset of PvP players

CGs never seem to deviate from the formula. There's a CG for truckers, and a CG for people that like to shoot things. Never anything else.

Well, in ELite tehre's essentially Combat and non-combat flight (trade/passenger/exploration) as you've pointed out there's generally something for people that like Combat and something for those that don't like Combat...and whilst you overlook the IE: Mining/Rescue etc CGs...what ELSE were you expecting???

 

[blaze53]

I'm fairly certain that whether they're "fun" or whether they "s*ck" is an intrinsic part of the Mission...In NO WAY tied to the Mission reward...whether they're "fun" or whether they "s*ck" applies just the same if they're paying 5 million/50 million/500 million credits...right???

Excuse me sir, please refrain from circumventing the word filter.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

And yet FDev has shown in the past that they've tweaked or fixed missions without having to remove them entirely. Case in point: Quince. Passenger missions triggered a gold rush. Passenger missions were deactivated in Quince, but not EVERY SINGLE MISSION IN THE GAME.
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With 3.0 FDev introduced a new mission reward system that obviously has bugs. Those bugs affect all missions of that type. Solution would be to keep that bug in game or to remove the affected mission templates until they are fixed. FDev did the later (and rightly so in my opinion).

The passenger missions in 2.4 had a bug that resulted in extremely high rewards as a result of edge cases in the mission generating system. FDev respond by removing the distance to station reward part of mission rewards for all passenger missions until they had a fixed version of reward system.

 

[Brrokk]

How many threads do we need complaining about FDev fixing bugs and exploits?

None. Fixing bugs and exploits is good.

 

[Mohrgan]

I'm fairly certain that whether they're "fun" or whether they "s*ck" is an intrinsic part of the Mission...In NO WAY tied to the Mission reward...whether they're "fun" or whether they "s*ck" applies just the same if they're paying 5 million/50 million/500 million credits...right???

Ahhh...OK...just ranting then! Fair enough




Nope...because of the commodities rewards Mining Missions could get stuck in a feedback loop where completing one mission meant completion of the next and the next and the next and the next (ad infinitum) an obvious bug that needed fixing...I'm SURE they'll be back...but in the meantime...you know, if you LIKE mining...you can still go maining and the payout for the 3 Ps is still OK...so from a gameplay point of view...nothing is (temporarily) lost...am I right?



Are you genuinely moaning that the Engineering changes and mat Traders have made PVP LESS viable because its more of a level playing field or am i missing something else here? As for PvP vs PvE you're essentially talking about the difference between semi-competent dogfighting in an unrealistic setting (dogfighting between 1vs 1 in peer ships) and incompetent dogfighting in a more realistic setting...and I have a sneaking suspension that it would be easier for Frontier to improve the enemy AI...than it will to change the behaviourand mindset of PvP players



Well, in ELite tehre's essentially Combat and non-combat flight (trade/passenger/exploration) as you've pointed out there's generally something for people that like Combat and something for those that don't like Combat...and whilst you overlook the IE: Mining/Rescue etc CGs...what ELSE were you expecting???

I'm impressed you actually took the time to pick apart that rant, and respond to the individual points. Really impressed. Good on you.

 

[Jex =TE=]

So... apparently passenger missions have been nerfed after they were "tweaked" after the whole Quince issue. Great. Passenger missions suck now.

Passenger missions always sucked - why the payout would make them fun is beyond me. All you're doing is exactly the same thing but somehow your fun is derived from how much imaginary money you can make? What will you do with this money - buy more ships so you can press J a bunch of times?

 

[Mohrgan]

Excuse me sir, please refrain from circumventing the word filter.

Lol, now we have a Mini-Mod keeping things clean. Sa-weet!

 

[jasonbirder]

Excuse me sir, please refrain from circumventing the word filter.

Check the OP...I added an asterix for politeness...HE didn't!

 

[Van R Flyheight]

Ah, yes. I forgot. The Elite forums aren't here for actual discussions and alternate views and opinions. Nope, just mock the guy for it. Let's just treat him like crap and the mods don't give a damn, right?



Every single passenger mission. Reading comprehension, sir.

I'm with you Blaze. Not quite "the game is dead" with you but I think FDev are doing more harm than good at this point. I really enjoyed the whole 2.x series but I'm not really that impressed with 3.0 so far. Okay for me it's because of the terrible PMF implementation but when they said on the livestream last night "they're interesting but not as interesting as this" it summed things up for me. FDev think they know what people want and they nailed it for some but it's insulting to assume they nailed it for all. As a player not interested in the Thargoid and Guardian storyline, 3.0 has only brought features that ruined original features I enjoyed such as C&P. C&P is straight up broken right now. I also agree that removing mission types that they broke in the first place is poor show. Passenger missions work, introducing distance bonus, passenger missions broken. Mining missions work, forget to not reward mission target as mission reward, mining missions broke. See the pattern.

Like I said, not the whole way with you Blaze but air your views. You are as much a paying customer as the rest and by posting here you aren't saying "I quit", you're saying "please don't make me quit". It's when we stop posting that they will be truly worried but also when it's too late.

 

[Whitehair]

I sure am, because fears of what the game will become down the line if things like these keep popping up are automatically null and void if support for FDev isn't 100% obvious because someone dared think things aren't being perfectly handled.

No, I thought that it was because:

I didn't seem civil,