I bet most people never even bothered with mining and skimmer missions and now they are suddenly half of the game.
You're killing your own game, FDev.
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I bet most people never even bothered with mining and skimmer missions and now they are suddenly half of the game.
Ahh. I obviously didn't see the other post and was not trying to be smart. It was just a simple question. Maybe instead of having a go at me for no reason at all he should have just pointed me in that direction instead.
Maybe when someone acts like a child, they treat them like one.
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OP could always set a good example...
It's funny how people start to experience more of the game when the rewards for doing so are better, isn't it?
It'd be a crazy thought if all missions were adjusted so that the rewards made people want to complete them.
I'm not saying the payouts were fine as-is, but it gave people a reason to try new things. Is that such a bad thing?
Wow. Ok, 3.0 introduced a lot of major changes - total revamp of engineers & mat/data inventory, new mission reward system, wing missions, etc. Of course there are going to be unintended bugs that need to be fixed. Were you here for 2.0 and 2.1?
But let's address some of your points:
Yes, well LONG distance passenger missions have always stunk. Not sure why anyone wanted to do them. VIP tour missions still pay well, I think, and are a lot of fun. The bulk passenger mega payout needed to be fixed - sadly, this meant a massive drop (too much) in pay until they get the algorithm fixed.
I'm sorry, but these missions were a joke. Forget the stacking for a minute... why should you get paid 5 million credits, in one mission, to kill 8 skimmers? That takes no time at all in SRV. Worse, the system was letting people stack a bunch of these and blow them up from their ships - moving back and forth over the same base to cause respawn - to cash in quick. If you can't see what's wrong with the risk/reward there... wow.
No, they removed those because the alternate reward system was giving people the option for a BUNCH of ore, which they could then turn around and use for a mining mission turn-in. There was a video which showed how a commander could sit in station and just keep turning in missions and making money without ever leaving.
I'm sad that they totally removed mining missions, as that screws over miners (who have it bad enough already). I don't know why they couldn't just remove mining missions that used the ore from rewards (I've only seen about 4-5 different types offered) and leave the rest in. May be a coding issue, or maybe there are even more ore rewards I haven't seen, I don't know.
Maybe. If they want to keep the grind the same, I don't know why they can just divorce reputation per mission from rank gained with said power, and just have a flat rate per mission. In any case, this is a result of the new mission reward system, which gives you a choice, and is a good thing in of itself. Unfortunately, it's lead to undesirable side effects.
Nope. Not even close. True assassination missions (e.g. Kill Pirate Lord) are legal and won't make you wanted. Also, any kind of crime that doesn't give you a bounty (trespassing, weapons fire, murder) can be cleaned at the very station that has "anonymous access" due to your fines. And if you do have a bounty, providing it's not murder, you can quickly clean that at Interstellar factors. Heck, Planetary scan missions have become much nicer for me this way... I just do them in all the target systems, then go to an IF system, clear the tiny bounty, and then go turn them all in.
If you murder someone, you do have to wait 2 hours. However, that's a far cry for the 1 week you had to wait before. Besides, you can always go to an anarchy system where they don't care about any of that stuff. You could even transfer a clean ship there, if you want, switch to it and continue playing ANYWHERE while your notoriety ticks down.
We complained about this in Beta. To my surprise, Sandro responded very quickly and there was a very interactive dialogue that went on for at least 2 weeks before 3.0 went live. They could not implement those changes when 3.0 went live, but it's coming soon in a minor patch (supposedly just a few weeks a way). And that deals with rep! I still make nearly to as much $$$ in the current 3.0 system with, or without, my KWS as I did in 2.4 with it. So I disagree with you on the cash loss. But even if that's the case, the solution is coming.
I'm no white knight here to defend the devs, but I seriously don't understand the outrageously large amount of whining after this patch. If there are issues right now, and you know they'll be addressed soon, take a break from the game OR do something else in the game. Geez.
But let's address some of your points:
Yes, well LONG distance passenger missions have always stunk. Not sure why anyone wanted to do them. VIP tour missions still pay well, I think, and are a lot of fun. The bulk passenger mega payout needed to be fixed - sadly, this meant a massive drop (too much) in pay until they get the algorithm fixed.
I'm sorry, but these missions were a joke. Forget the stacking for a minute... why should you get paid 5 million credits, in one mission, to kill 8 skimmers? That takes no time at all in SRV. Worse, the system was letting people stack a bunch of these and blow them up from their ships - moving back and forth over the same base to cause respawn - to cash in quick. If you can't see what's wrong with the risk/reward there... wow.
No, they removed those because the alternate reward system was giving people the option for a BUNCH of ore, which they could then turn around and use for a mining mission turn-in. There was a video which showed how a commander could sit in station and just keep turning in missions and making money without ever leaving.
I'm sad that they totally removed mining missions, as that screws over miners (who have it bad enough already). I don't know why they couldn't just remove mining missions that used the ore from rewards (I've only seen about 4-5 different types offered) and leave the rest in. May be a coding issue, or maybe there are even more ore rewards I haven't seen, I don't know.
Maybe. If they want to keep the grind the same, I don't know why they can just divorce reputation per mission from rank gained with said power, and just have a flat rate per mission. In any case, this is a result of the new mission reward system, which gives you a choice, and is a good thing in of itself. Unfortunately, it's lead to undesirable side effects.
Nope. Not even close. True assassination missions (e.g. Kill Pirate Lord) are legal and won't make you wanted. Also, any kind of crime that doesn't give you a bounty (trespassing, weapons fire, murder) can be cleaned at the very station that has "anonymous access" due to your fines. And if you do have a bounty, providing it's not murder, you can quickly clean that at Interstellar factors. Heck, Planetary scan missions have become much nicer for me this way... I just do them in all the target systems, then go to an IF system, clear the tiny bounty, and then go turn them all in.
If you murder someone, you do have to wait 2 hours. However, that's a far cry for the 1 week you had to wait before. Besides, you can always go to an anarchy system where they don't care about any of that stuff. You could even transfer a clean ship there, if you want, switch to it and continue playing ANYWHERE while your notoriety ticks down.
We complained about this in Beta. To my surprise, Sandro responded very quickly and there was a very interactive dialogue that went on for at least 2 weeks before 3.0 went live. They could not implement those changes when 3.0 went live, but it's coming soon in a minor patch (supposedly just a few weeks a way). And that deals with rep! I still make nearly to as much $$$ in the current 3.0 system with, or without, my KWS as I did in 2.4 with it. So I disagree with you on the cash loss. But even if that's the case, the solution is coming.
I'm no white knight here to defend the devs, but I seriously don't understand the outrageously large amount of whining after this patch. If there are issues right now, and you know they'll be addressed soon, take a break from the game OR do something else in the game. Geez.
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Rewards weren't better they were completely bugged. The whole mining issue wasn't even about credits and most people complaining have no idea how the bug actually looked like, otherwise they would finally shut up.
I'm well aware of what they looked like.
And yes, the rewards were better. 1,000,000 > 1,000. It's basic math bud
The payouts obviously were higher than Fdev intended for the skimmer missions, and the rewards for mining obviously wasn't working as intended with getting back more materials than you were required to get, thus allowing the completion of missions without even leaving the station.
My only point is that when things are fixed, I hope Fdev has taken time to understand that all missions need a good look at risk vs reward.
Hehe I enjoyed this response
I'm well aware of what they looked like.
And yes, the rewards were better. 1,000,000 > 1,000. It's basic math bud
The payouts obviously were higher than Fdev intended for the skimmer missions, and the rewards for mining obviously wasn't working as intended with getting back more materials than you were required to get, thus allowing the completion of missions without even leaving the station.
My only point is that when things are fixed, I hope Fdev has taken time to understand that all missions need a good look at risk vs reward.
Can't argue with that, how boring!
I agree with that. A lot of missions have nearly zero risk and you get paid a huge amount.
Can't argue with that, how boring!
Haha, sorry I'll try harder next time!
Seriously though, I feel like the community should take a chill pill.
I'm not going to pretend that the recently removed missions didn't have issues, but given that one of the said issues helped peak the amount of active users shows that there's a need to look at the entire mission structure, how ranks are reached, and the risk/reward for both early game play as well as what the game looks like after a few years of playing. I'm coming up on 2 years now, I still love playing, but I can't say I've enjoyed the blandness that mission boards seem at times.
I hope the result of this last week help to provide balance for new and old players as well as those that have all the free time in the world, and for those that don't.
Obviously not everyone can be made happy, but IMO more needs to be done to increase the amount of people happy with the mission structures.
Because by the rate all the nerfing is going there will be nobody left to create those "buff my favorite ship" threads, even the forumdads would of left to moan on another game forum.
Nope. You are not allowed to play now that they have removed a couple of mission templates.
Yep, and 300k credits to take out 32 pirates in a system without and RES sites is equally fair.... /s
I put a thread on this on the suggestions board about linking missions to status (combat/trade/exploration). I believe the status link to missions was removed and just ended up being faction rep instead, I'm sure someone will correct me if that's not the case. But also ensuring the missions matched the status. I won't repeat it all but the crux was that the mission difficulty should match status and the rewards should be comparable to that risk.
It must have been boring because no-one commented
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Cya. Can I have your stuff?
Nope. You are not allowed to play now that they have removed a couple of mission templates.
You sound like my wife.... except for the part about mission templates.