No Single Player offline Mode then?

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Haha, because obviously, when people find new and interesting things in the game they won't be on here revealing what they've discovered!
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Perhaps an in-game warning will flash up, "You have discovered Zoltan Shield technology. You are not allowed to mention this online; it's a secret!" :D

The problem here is that you'd have access to the server which isn't something we'd want to allow as it contains the secrets of the galaxy. Which was also an issue with an online version.

Michael

This is why there is no offline mode, NOT because of deadlines, technical difficulties..ect. It's because they didn't want people dissecting the code, and finding the secrets. That is why everything will remain on their servers. It amazes me the disconnect that developers have with their customers...
 
I haven't really gotten mad...until now!

Frontier...this is the first time I've even closely contemplated canceling my order for the game, and it just seems like I would never have thought of that.

That's how important single player/offline is to me, and one of the main reasons I put a lot of money into this game!

Heck...I don't even care if I only get 1/2 of the Galaxy at this point. I would really like to play Elite offline so that I know it's there. Just like the originals.

I played City of Heroes for 7 years until they cut off the servers. That was 2 to 3 years ago, and I still would like to be able to play it. That's why when I saw that Elite D was going to be an offline game first, and a online second (that's what my understanding was anyways) that I let myself invest a lot of money into the making of this game, and as someone mentioned "we are going told this NOW?!?" (I'm paraphrasing).

Frontier...David...please reconsider letting us have an offline single player option...even if it's not all of the Milky Way Galaxy.

Thank you.
 
With me, yes, the primary reason is unstable internet. Not for me, but for a couple of those I wanted to share the experience with. And the fact I persuaded them to buy a game based on the fact it would have offline, when now it won't.

In my case, I like to be on my own. Without any other players able to effect my gameplay, directly or indirectly. Also so I can cheat myself into a stupor without repercussions on myself and others I may effect.
 
I read your entire post, but I'll just respond to your summary.

Using your Agile project management experience to explain a typical software development process to non software developers is a good idea, as it gives them an inkling into one of the ways that software projects are managed. (It's not the only way and there are many variations of it as well, for you non SW devs).

But in the end you are just guessing like the rest of us, you don't know whether offline mode was deprioritised late in the project cycle, scrapped half way through, trialled early on and dismissed or never even attempted. (I personally have faith in FD that it was as you suggest, but I am also a realist).

Using words like pandered gives the impression that you are pushing a MP agenda over the offline experience, of course FD have to make hard decisions when faced with the reality of what features to drop for release, but the reality now is that a significant, (where significant is >1), number of people now will NOT be able to play the game.

This is not pandering, it is not a trivial feature, it is not bells and whistles, it is not an elitist vocal minority request for a non foundation feature, it is a failing of the game to even function at a bare minimum for a certain percentage of it's already paid up users.

You can not and should not sugar coat this situation with:
- they may still be working on offline, it's just been deprioritised.
- they had to drop some features and MP was more important than offline.
- relasing ED with offline mode would delay the release for all users.

The reality is that now the game is broken for certain users; those who are not effected, mostly do not understand and mostly do not care and what's worse try and justify the decision, there is no justification, it's broken.

You are correct - in a way I tried to simplify things to defuse the situation that has been caused by; lets say; inconsistent communications.

You can look at my thread history, I for one am not an all out defender of Frontier where I think they have made bad design decisions about the game, one of them being solo online mode when I also believed solo offline mode was still an option.

However I looked at the situation and took a pragmatic view of it - somewhere along the line, the focus of the project switched due to scope creep - this is entirely down to the fault of the stakeholders, project managers and development team. But as end users of a GAME product, we are still being delivered exactly that - a working game.

This is what annoys me about all this anger on the forums - It's not as if we asked them to build a house and instead we got a car - we still got a house. It's just not quite the one we expected.

If this was Grand Designs, Kevin McCloud would be going back now and saying it's still wonderful, beautiful house - but it's not the same as the original plan two years ago, because along the way things changed. The foundations were not strong enough to take the original design so they have been worked around to find the best solution that fits.
 
You are correct - in a way I tried to simplify things to defuse the situation that has been caused by; lets say; inconsistent communications.

You can look at my thread history, I for one am not an all out defender of Frontier where I think they have made bad design decisions about the game, one of them being solo online mode when I also believed solo offline mode was still an option.

However I looked at the situation and took a pragmatic view of it - somewhere along the line, the focus of the project switched due to scope creep - this is entirely down to the fault of the stakeholders, project managers and development team. But as end users of a GAME product, we are still being delivered exactly that - a working game.

This is what annoys me about all this anger on the forums - It's not as if we asked them to build a house and instead we got a car - we still got a house. It's just not quite the one we expected.

If this was Grand Designs, Kevin McCloud would be going back now and saying it's still wonderful, beautiful house - but it's not the same as the original plan two years ago, because along the way things changed. The foundations were not strong enough to take the original design so they have been worked around to find the best solution that fits.

Yeah for some the house has no roof.
 
Well I cannot believe I am typing this, but I will be contacting customer support first thing tomorrow for a full refund on all Elite Dangerous items I have thus far purchased. A game I cannot play for pretty much a full year is of absolutely no use to me whatsoever, especially as I have pumped the best part of £250 into it.

You didn't pay for a game - £35 would buy you the game. You paid to be part of the Alpha/Beta program.

If it did not meet your expectations then I'm sorry to hear that, but you should have understood what you were signing up for.
 
This is what annoys me about all this anger on the forums - It's not as if we asked them to build a house and instead we got a car - we still got a house. It's just not quite the one we expected.

Not meaning to make you rant on Twitter about me or anything. But they built a house for us, yes. Only problem being they didn't put the roof on for people who live in rural or poor internet connection areas. But I enjoyed the analogy. ;)
 
I can agree to that - I like FD very much, and newsletter has lot of nice bits in it, but way this was communicated - and how worries about how feature complete ED 1.0 will be weren't answered - it new low for them. They need to get their communication in order. Heck, having separate section apologizing people would improve things. I don't blame David, he's busy man these days, he tried to be reasonable about this decision, but it came out not right.

I really hope they will learn from this mistake and how pressure about giving not that much stable, but feature complete and worthy title is something they should really need to concentrate on. Offline might be over, but game still needs to be delivered.

I've written and deleted something similar several times tonight before posting it because I was worried I was being too negative and over reacting.

Their communication has been terrible. It feels to me like they have tried to put out a fire with a can of petrol and it has me really worried for the future. The launch better be good or this game might be in trouble. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt they will do as you suggest and say sorry like they the should do :(
 
Could you point where such claim was made without conditions?

No Sir, I cannot. Although I can say the game was widely advertised as being availiable in "offline' mode, something that no doubt every member of this thread could attest to.

I would add, that any page that 'had' this information on it has since probably been updated to more accurately describe the changes made following the recent removal of this mode, and as such, no longer appears (even in the fine print). There is no record of the internet, and no, I didnt take screenshots to refer to later in case this 'claim' was changed. I do get your point, but considering the discussion afoot here, it is unlikely you will have any success claiming that the game was indeed never originally intended for online play only.

That said, and on a different angle, I thought this might be of interest :
The laws of some countries do not allow some or all of the limitations described above. If these laws apply to you, some or all of the above limitations may not apply to you and you might have additional rights.
..from https://store.zaonce.net/terms-and-conditions/
 
I wish people would stop saying that those people complaining are just whining and that there's no way they don't have an internet connection in this day and age.

There are multiple comments in here about people who may be soldiers, oil rig workers, or stuck in hospital and unable to use Internet.

These are real concerns and these people are entitled to complain, loudly and long.

Offline wasn't a deal breaker for me; I wanted it but I won't be asking for a refund.

I do think the sneaky 'hey everyone look over here! NEW SHIPS! Oh and no offline. BUT A FREE NEW SHIP FOR YOU! Oh and less features. OH AND INSURANCE FOR YOU AND YOU AND YOU' was tacky and leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Bit disappointed in FD's way of announcing. Couldn't we have had a thread from Michael asking people how important they thought offline was? Just to start a discussion? Or to let people down a little more openly?
 
It is Kickstarter FAQ, which FD by the way never directly links from their store or web page.

They have their base covered, they have lawyers who know their stuff.

Regardless, they have stated there, on KS where they asked us to pledge our money for them to make the game that offline would be a part of the game. This position has been reinforced numerous times in posts made by the developers. Now at the 11th hour its being retracted.

I'm not going to talk about lawyers or other such nonsense until I have a response from their customer service though.

This is what annoys me about all this anger on the forums - It's not as if we asked them to build a house and instead we got a car - we still got a house. It's just not quite the one we expected.

No Titus, they sold us a house, but they didn't tell us the door was locked with no key.
 
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Im pretty sure for those with no internet connections where they intend to play, it would be the roof. For me personally its the roof. Not just some ADDON.

The same people with no internet connections who are posting on these here forums?

FYI I also live in the sticks - I'm lucky if I get a 900kbps upload rate, let alone my advertised 12mb download rate.

Game still works perfectly fine for me and many many others - sure I can't use the game on a transatlantic flight if I wanted to, but I'd go play Civ V or something else instead - or maybe read a book.

The point is Elite: Dangerous isn't the only game out there, and certainly not the only one that requires an internet connection in this day and age.

Now - like I've mentioned I understand people's frustration at the level of communication from FD on the subject, but I'm looking at this from an entirely pragmatic point of view and I think the anger being shown here is completely out of proportion.

I think the saying is "Throwing the baby out with the bath water".
 
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