I assume you've read Galnet and know that's just what it's called? just in case you missed it, here's the article that helps the most.
They aren't here to kill us (an overly-long analysis of Thargoid behaviour)
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To bad you didn't read it, as you would have known they called it a: complex multi-frequency transmission, not a Roar, hence it couldn't have any links to your omg: Queen or Princess in HIP22460? what, where do you even come up with crazy statements. You do know this is Lore Section right?
Nor is it scientific to claim that Thargoids are hostile towards Guardian technology because they can't tell the difference between humans and Guardians, or to say it couldn't be for any other reason. Both are assertions only and both are false, as has been shown repeatedly by Thargoids having specific reactions to Guardian stuff that they don't have towards anything of human manufacture.
So you were in a War a couple of millions years ago, than after million years you meet a totaly different species, and instantly attack them as soon as you see Guardian tech?
If they were sentient - they would have not only adapted to Gaurdian tech in million years, so it wouldn't be a threat, they would also learn how to communicate.
Million years is a long periode, i mean really long. We Homo Sapience appeared around 200 000 years ago, and look at us.
No species could hold a grudge for that long, and not learn how to communicate with others, while achieving FTL age, it's not scientifically possible. They are machines.
Thanks, these sorts of replies make it really easy to identify trolls
Blocked.It doesn't matter how unbelievable you find something, it's not evidence of anything. It's an argument from incredulity, a fallacy.
And while you have provided no evidence for your claim and it is not down to anyone else to disprove it, it has already been comprehensively disproved in game. Thargoids can tell the difference between Guardians and humans, have notably different reactions to their technology and this has been repeatedly and consistently observed.
Still waiting for that picture of Thargoid pilots. 5 years have past and still waiting.
Funny isn't, how easy it is to disprove your conspiracy theories.
oh i didnt even know you could block! wow i can read the forums now -Thanks, these sorts of replies make it really easy to identify trolls
With regards to guardianophobe behaviour.. yeah they probably have really good reasons to destroy AI produced tech on sight.
Not after a million years, they don't. In fact, according to some forum members, that claimed Humans tried to commite Thargoid genocide at the end of first war, Thargoids should had more grudge against Humans for trying to commite that genocide. Yet as OP pointed out in his long post, it's just doesn't seem to happen.
This is why i think OP is very wrong, he tried to apply Human behavier in his conclusions to Thargoids action, and hence that leads to misleading results.
Thargoids behavier to me looks more of the machines than Seintient species.
I replied to your entire post, going through it point by point because I thought that'd be clearer. I'll do it this way if you prefer, but you will see that what I quoted was just your post, in order.
Yes, I don't think they're pacifist. I brought up pacifism because that would be the only scenario where the Thargoids would not meet your criteria for being hostile. Obviously that is not the case, but there's still a big gap between that and outright hostility.
As for the picture of a Thargoid pilot: can you blow up a human ship and show me a picture of the dead pilot? The base game is PEGI 7, I don't believe you can have corpses lying around. Blow up a human ship, and the human you can see in the cockpit will just vanish. You'll have to wait for Odyssey exclusive Thargoid encounters for that, assuming Frontier want to ruin the mystery of what Thargoids look like.
Regardless, we know from the lore that the ships are piloted, that the Thargoids are, well, alive. Check the codex, or the INRA logs that detail how they experimented on live Thargoids.
No, it just shows that you don't know what proving or disproving anything actually means. Saying "is not" isn't the same thing.
We have the entire lore saying that their ships are piloted, the experiments carried out on them and multiple instances in the lore where it specifically says Thargoids react violently to Guardian technology.
And then there's you, calling them liars and saying "is not".
It's a weird hill to troll and die on, to literally ignore all of that in favour of some wild theory with nothing to back it up at all, but you do you.
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In Lore saying something exists with out providing any proof of it's existance, like in real world is just fake news.
Let me rephrase it that you might understand: Lore doesn't provide any proof of existance of Thargoids pilots, other than saying that they exists. That's not a proof of existance.
What Lore does provide is lack of any pictures of Thargoids pilots or species - and that is the proof that they don't exist. How can they exists if in 5 years of conflict noone ever seen them or taken picture? They can't.
So it's not just the Lore, but also game mechanis do not support existance of Thargoid species.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Basic rule. If you're going to claim everything said by the devs, by Galnet, by logs in the game and discovered by player experience is wrong, you need something better to replace it with than a wild theory which is "true" for no other reason than "because I say so."
If you'd said the Guardians were machines you'd have been on more solid ground, but even then there would be no reason to suppose they couldn't distinguish between species.
Your conclusion is based on a false premise.
Your example cannot be applied here, because unlike your phony records, we as players and NPC's in the game have made direct contact with Thargoids for 5 years now, and none of them produced any evidence of Thargoid species existance in the most obvious form at least a picture of one. Out of 5 years 1.5 was with On-foot combat - so you can't blame it on the game limitations either. They just don't exist, and it's not just me that says it, it's 5 years of war with Thargoids that says that.
Then prove the records are phony instead of just saying "is not." Shouldn't be too hard if you are so certain that all the devs and content writers are liars.
Still doesn't change your false assumptions though.
Thargoids can tell the difference between humans and Guardians.
Why would a machine not be able to detect different species anyway? There's no reason to suppose this is true. It doesn't even make sense.
Nor is saying something doesn't exist because you haven't seen it yet an argument, or evidence of anything.
Your conclusion is based on a false premise. That hasn't changed.
What Frontier's writers put into the game is evidence, regardless of its form. As in-universe evidence, it's not impossible that it could be faked - but that's not the default position. It takes evidence to overturn evidence, otherwise it's baseless speculation and I could say that the Guardians never existed because we've never seen one, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. All that stuff was built covertly by the Club, so covertly that there's no evidence of it happening. Everyone on GalNet talking about how these ruins are millions of years old are paid actors. Ram Tah is a Raxxlan (have you seen what colour his blood is?)
Is there proof that the INRA falsified internal documents regarding the existence of Thargoid pilots? At least a potential motive for doing so? Or does that just need to be true for this theory, working backwards from the conclusion? If there is no evidence, then it's a weak theory even omitting the circular logic.
And anyway, biological or machine makes exactly zero difference as to their intentions. It just makes killing them an easier sell, I expect.
Oh my, who do you think wrote the story, and develped the 5 years war? Me? Why keep calling them liars? They wrote and developed it.
You have on one side phony records claiming Thargoids species exist, but with no visual evidence to back it up.
On the other side, you have 5 years of stories and events which show they don't exists. It's not something i say, it something that the writers wrote and developers put in to the game. It's also part of the Lore.
Well machines can be biological in nature, my point was that they weren't sentient. That explains why they act like you described, it's just part of their programming to respond to different situations.
I've no idea why you keep calling it phony but apparently you do.
Then give an example in the lore proving that "they" don't exist. Whoever "they" are this afternoon.