Update 14 and Beyond: Live and Legacy Modes

BL1P

BL1P
babelfisch said:
Well if they want to play on 10 years old computers I have not much sympathy for them. But most people I've seen complaining about Horizons 4.0 are getting 80 instead of 120 FPS for example and I consider that very much playable. At least if we are talking about the necessity to spend €2000, which (again) is complete nonsense.
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My PC is not a 10 year old PC but the diffrence in 3.8 VR and 4.0 VR is one is very playable and the later very much isnt.

I run Elite on :-
Ryzen 7 3700x which is at 4ghz
32gig sys ram
An RTX 3060 12g
All running from m.2 drives
Quest 2 VR via cable

That was £1600 when I got it for odyssey (because a 1660super couldnt run odyssey at the time). (price not including the VR)

4.0 VR should run on that spec but it doesnt.
3.8 VR runs brilliantly on that spec.
 

Aris Tarkus

Aris Tarkus
BL1P said:
My PC is not a 10 year old PC but the diffrence in 3.8 VR and 4.0 VR is one is very playable and the later very much isnt.

I run Elite on :-
Ryzen 7 3700x which is at 4ghz
32gig sys ram
An RTX 3060 12g
All running from m.2 drives
Quest 2 VR via cable

That was £1600 when I got it for odyssey (because a 1660super couldnt run odyssey at the time). (price not including the VR)

4.0 VR should run on that spec but it doesnt.
3.8 VR runs brilliantly on that spec.
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For comparison, I am running on an Intel Core i7-2600 @ 3.4GHz and 8M Ram. GPU is a 3VGA GeFoirce 10go and I am playing in Odyssey without any major probnlems aside from a slight frame rate downturn when approaching a planet surface. System cost was $700 2 years ago
 

Internaut

Internaut
Aris Tarkus said:
For comparison, I am running on an Intel Core i7-2600 @ 3.4GHz and 8M Ram. GPU is a 3VGA GeFoirce 10go and I am playing in Odyssey without any major probnlems aside from a slight frame rate downturn when approaching a planet surface. System cost was $700 2 years ago
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Wait wut, you bought a 2nd gen proc system for $700
🏃🏽‍♂️
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
Morbad said:
If a 10 year old system, or a system that was mid-range when ED launched, is sufficient for what someone has been doing all this time, a major overhaul or outright replacement, just to make 4.0 playable, is a big ask for a lot of people.
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Especially when you don't get much in return. It's not like Horizons 4.0 is a huge leap in graphical improvement proportional to the leap in hardware required to maintain the same performance. Telling someone they need to upgrade a 10 year old computer to run Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 makes sense, even though that 10 year old computer runs Flight Simulator X just fine. Now if Horizons 4.0 was to 3.8 what FS2020 is to FSX, some of us might work a second job to buy that $2000 hardware upgrade, LOL.
 

Rebel Yell

Rebel Yell
Old Duck said:
Especially when you don't get much in return. It's not like Horizons 4.0 is a huge leap in graphical improvement proportional to the leap in hardware required to maintain the same performance. Telling someone they need to upgrade a 10 year old computer to run Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 makes sense, even though that 10 year old computer runs Flight Simulator X just fine. Now if Horizons 4.0 was to 3.8 what FS2020 is to FSX, some of us might work a second job to buy that $2000 hardware upgrade, LOL.
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Adamant.

And I am one of the players who likes much more the 3.8 space visuals... and we have running EDO on some 3yrs old gaming laptops right now.
 

Rebel Yell

Rebel Yell
Morbad said:
I don't really think the BGS can be separated from influence effects and expect the BGS to function normally in legacy, though with little to no direct developer intervention.
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It should be so, BGS/PP will have 2 separate galaxies where they can compete as it used to be. I am not sure factions/squadrons will put their effort to support both... i.e. Delaine powerplay is being supported only in the "LIVE" galaxy by us.
 

BL1P

BL1P
Aris Tarkus said:
For comparison, I am running on an Intel Core i7-2600 @ 3.4GHz and 8M Ram. GPU is a 3VGA GeFoirce 10go and I am playing in Odyssey without any major probnlems aside from a slight frame rate downturn when approaching a planet surface. System cost was $700 2 years ago
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In VR ?

Because I can run odyssey 4.0 on a flat screen no problems.
Just not in VR
 

Morbad

Morbad
babelfisch said:
In the meantime people can continue to play the version they paid for (3.8). At least until FDEV removes that option.
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Yes, though the game as a whole suffers from a fragmented player base as much of what the game is for many people depends on the gameplay, directly and/or indirectly provided by other players.

babelfisch said:
*I am curious if people also expect the next gen update for The Witcher 3 to run on their old computers...
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A rather apples and oranges comparison as that is an offline single-player title.

However, I expect that game's update, unless an uncommon screwup occurs, to run the same (if it's the same engine with a bunch of bolt on crap that can be turned off) or better (if it's an actual engine overhaul) at the same settings on the same hardware. Elite: Dangerous 4.0 is a rather extreme outlier in how badly it performs relative to the prior version when displaying equivalent scenes. By and large, newer engines and other refinements are better at extracting performance from hardware. It might require an API that wasn't originally available, but needing more brute force processing power for the same settings is damn weird.

Any update that reduces performance at the same IQ deserves to be lambasted for the technical failure that it is.
 

Sakashiro

Sakashiro
DrinkyBird said:
You have to manually acquire DLCs from the Steam store though, even if they're free, so a newbie or existing player out of the loop buying the game could get confused as to why there's no game as they didn't select one of the DLCs.
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If there's no client installed because no DLC was selected, the launcher will present a download button instead of a play button. Not too hard to figure out what to do next. In the end it doesn't matter if the client is downloaded from Valve or Frontier. The result is the same.
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
BL1P said:
My PC is not a 10 year old PC but the diffrence in 3.8 VR and 4.0 VR is one is very playable and the later very much isnt.

I run Elite on :-
Ryzen 7 3700x which is at 4ghz
32gig sys ram
An RTX 3060 12g
All running from m.2 drives
Quest 2 VR via cable

That was £1600 when I got it for odyssey (because a 1660super couldnt run odyssey at the time). (price not including the VR)

4.0 VR should run on that spec but it doesnt.
3.8 VR runs brilliantly on that spec.
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Then don't play in VR or continue playing on 3.8? Because their is no way you can't run pancake Horizons 4.0 on that machine.

Why are people complaining about free, optional updates to an 8 years old game? I understand it if you prefer to keep playing 3.8 but that doesn't give you the right to be upset about it.
 

Rebel Yell

Rebel Yell
babelfisch said:
Why are people complaining about free, optional updates to an 8 years old game? I understand it if you prefer to keep playing 3.8 but that doesn't give you the right to be upset about it.
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Indeed (on one side, notwithstanding they might have wasted $$$ in ARX during the years)... but let's be honest: quite a lot of players could have already stepped up into EDO if it was as good as or definitely better than EDH.
 

Jabo Zerstorer

Jabo Zerstorer
Red Anders said:
Where are you getting this crap from? I play Odyssey at 1080p on a PC with an i7 3770 (10 years old), RTX2060 and 16 gig of RAM and it's fine. If you want to buy it for €2,000 though, let me know 🤣
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My laptop that I bought 4 or 5 years ago didn't cost me £2000 and it runs ED:O relatively well (only real issues are FPS drops in Settlements and occasionally on specific planetary types).
 

Jabo Zerstorer

Jabo Zerstorer
Hellrider said:
So?
He said "fly spaceships".

Why would he buy dlc about on foot activities?
Now it is even more absurd, because he "has to" buy it to play together in 1 instance with more people. Players are basically part of DLC.

And no, steam revievs definetely means something. I would ask few quetions, if base game has 90% positives, when example dlc has 90% negatives :)

PS dear frontier knights: more not always means better. Maybe we should add WW II planes in space, just for "diversity, and more to do"?
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The issue with Steam reviews is people can:

1. bomb it with negative reviews
2. not update their reviews after patches have happened that fix a lot of the issues they likely initially had problems with
 

Jabo Zerstorer

Jabo Zerstorer
zimms said:
They can also

1. bomb it with positive reviews
2. not update their reviews after patches have happened that caused them to stop playing
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They can but I'm fairly sure there's not been many positive review bombs because people tend to review bomb when they're disgruntled.

Anyway, our points are both valid. Steam reviews are fraught with danger but are a useful guide if you're willing to filter out some of the spam reviews.
 
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