Animals that we might NEVER get.

Just like real life, we cannot expect each and every known species kept in zoos in the past to be included in Planet Zoo. Even if you cross out obvious animals that won't make it such as baleen whales, cryptids, and species extinct for good, there is still a lot of animals left with only a few handful of species for the devs to choose from. While a man can dream and have xyz to be officially made by frontier, it is best to curb our enthusiasm. Which is why I am making this thread.

I will start off with not one but two species: the North American mountain goat and the Bighorn sheep. Caprids tend to be under represented in zoos compared to other species of hoofstock such as antelope and giraffe. This could be reflected by the fact that Planet Zoo only has two species of caprids: the Alpine Ibex and the Dall's Sheep. The Dall's sheep is one of the three species of North American caprids that are montane. Having another species that fills the same niche from a very overrepresented continent would be pretty redundant. Not to mention, there still isn't a caprid species from Asia which has a plethora of taxa such as markhor, takin, tahr, and a lot more.

People have ragged on Frontier for having "clones" of animals be it similar yet distinct species or barely distinguishable subspecies. However (despite my bias for their red counterparts) I will not hold my breath for neither Eastern nor Western Gray Kangaroo. Kangaroos aren't as popular as much as wolves and big cats to justify a second species. While we did get more macropod representatin with the arrival of the red-necked wallaby, I would not expect frontier to add any other members of this family except for tree kangaroos despite the diversity of species.

Despite having a fair number of representatives in the base game, the order Primata still feels underrepresented with only three additional species added through the DLCs. If we are to get new chances are we won't be getting any species grom the genus Eulemur. This is a diverse genus with twelve extant species which vary by color, habitat, and IUCN status. However, with three species of lemur already in the game, getting a member of the Eulemur genus as the fourth member would feel redundant especially when among lemurs, the community seems to prefer aye-ayes and sifakahs more than any other lemur, or so I have observed. Otherwise if the devs are to add a new primate into the game I would expect it to be from an under-represented taxa such as baboons, guenons, and especially New World Primates over lemurs.

The expansion packs have blessed us with many small mammals such as the American beaver, meerkat, raccoon, and much more. Despite being a pessimist myself I could see more small mammals such as coatimundi and porcupine being represented. However one small mammal I do not expect is the Common Brush-tail Possum. Now I am aware that Phalangerids, let alone brush-tail possums, are not commonly kept in zoos. I bring up this species bacause of the ironic obscurity it has bespite being extremely common on its home range similar to how raccoons are a mundane animal in people's lives in North America. The fact that this animal is rarely kept outside its native range does play a role on why I believe it won't make it, but I would not count on that alone since Frontier has provided us with rarely kept animals such as the Dall's sheep and Proboscis monkeys. When listening to discussions about Australian animals for planet zoo I barely even hear possums. I would not expect any new Australian mammals, let alone the brushtailed possum, after the arrival of the Tasmanian devil and (maybe) the short-beaked echidna. For the 11 other people who also voter for the brush-tailed perfection I would suggest you to hold your horses.

This is my list for the time being, but by all means it is not over. I will be back to add more taxa of animals that I think won't make it to the game. But for the time being I have some work to do before further working on this list.
 
Now I am aware that Phalangerids, let alone brush-tail possums, are not commonly kept in zoos. I bring up this species bacause of the ironic obscurity it has bespite being extremely common on its home range similar to how raccoons are a mundane animal in people's lives in North America. The fact that this animal is rarely kept outside its native range does play a role on why I believe it won't make it, but I would not count on that alone since Frontier has provided us with rarely kept animals such as the Dall's sheep and Proboscis monkeys.
I actually found that the common brushtail possum was more commonly kept outside Australia than I thought, at least in Europe. Zootierliste lists 29 holdings for them, which is pretty good for an Australian mammal that isn't a macropod - more than the common wombat, koala, Tasmanian devil or short-beaked echidna. Regardless, their relative obscurity outside of Australia and mundanity to most Aussie players makes them very unlikely to be added, so we won't be hearing their demon noises in PZ anytime soon.
 
I will start off with not one but two species: the North American mountain goat and the Bighorn sheep. Caprids tend to be under represented in zoos compared to other species of hoofstock such as antelope and giraffe. This could be reflected by the fact that Planet Zoo only has two species of caprids: the Alpine Ibex and the Dall's Sheep. The Dall's sheep is one of the three species of North American caprids that are montane. Having another species that fills the same niche from a very overrepresented continent would be pretty redundant. Not to mention, there still isn't a caprid species from Asia which has a plethora of taxa such as markhor, takin, tahr, and a lot more.
I have to disagree with you about the Mountain Goat. I know the Woodland Park Zoo has them at least, and I think their appearance is unique enough to set them apart from the caprids we have right now. I'm not saying that we will get them, just that its inclusion is more likely than you might think.
 
Okay I am back in action.

As many of us know, we are in dire need for more New World primates. While there are many species to choose from such as sakis, howler monkeys, and another capuchin monkey, one group of animals that may not make it would be the Spider Monkeys. The main reason that could hamper the arrival of the spider monkeys could be its brachiation animation. I am not insinuating that the brachiation animation is a herculean task, if it were then we wouldn't be able to get the siamang brachiation in the first place. However I would argue that putting this animation on other species wouldn't be as easy as it sounds. If it were this easy then the orangutan would have already have had brachiation by now. In addition to normal brachiation Frontier would have to work with the tail of the spider monkey acting as a limb. Frontier could publish the spider monkey without using its tail as a third limb, but I am sure that most people would not be satisfied with it even if it comes as an answer to people's wishes for a new New World primate.

Next up we have Guanaco, Vicuña, and the Alpaca. Yea I am aware that I could have come up with a better introduction for these guys but I just wanted to cut to the chase. Despite the fact that these animals are anything but rare in captivity, they are not popular with the community, especially with the domestic llama having taken the spot for a South American camelid. However while their arrival is deffinitely not guaranteed, that does not mean that any of these three species have been cast to the shadow realm for good. Frontier had two species of caiman in two seperate DLC, so there is nothing stopping them from adding a second South American camelid to a future DLC.

Before I continue, I would like to adress that I don't plan on listing any other birds on this list. This is because Frontier has published so few birds (7+ the upcoming emu), it is not easy to tell what other taxa are likely to make it into the game let alone as habitat animals. Of the birds released by Frontier the Ratites are the most well represented group of birds with four animals in the roster. of the two remaining groups of (extant) ratites, the kiwis is not only highly requested but could also fill a new niche with its nocturnal behavior. However I can't say the same for the other group being the Geater and Lesser Rheas. Sure they are kept in many zoos, displayed in you run-of-the-mill South American paddock along with capybara, Patagonian mara, and/or a South American camelid. Sure they are also from South America, a continent that has much to be desired. However many people could get bugged off by getting another "ostrich recolor" similar to that of the canids. Not to mention rheas are more obscure than other ratites (or even most ther birds for that matter such as a second species of flamingo or crane) to make it to the cut.

The last entry for this post is going to be a reference to the Zoo Tycoon theory which states that if an animal has appeared in the first two Zoo Tycoon games, then it has a high chances to end up in planet zoo. There are some obvious animals that cannot make it to Planet Zoo such as the Javan rhinoceros and the mountain gorilla since they are barely in captivity, so they have their more common counterparts in the game instead. One of these animals is known for it's succesful conservation story shown in ZT2 which could otherwise be shown in Planet Zoo. Sadly, however, the Iberian Lynx has lost its chance to shine again to the much more common Eurasian Lynx. Even though the Iberian lynx and the Euasian lynx are two very distinct animals, there is a small number of small cats (regardless of how one classifies big cats and small cats) and having an extra lynx would do injustice to other groups of small cats such as serval, fishing cat, and ocelot.

Welp, this is it for now. I will be back some time later with my next installment for the list
 
I actually found that the common brushtail possum was more commonly kept outside Australia than I thought, at least in Europe. Zootierliste lists 29 holdings for them, which is pretty good for an Australian mammal that isn't a macropod - more than the common wombat, koala, Tasmanian devil or short-beaked echidna. Regardless, their relative obscurity outside of Australia and mundanity to most Aussie players makes them very unlikely to be added, so we won't be hearing their demon noises in PZ anytime soon.
From what I know they used to be kept much more frequently in Japan and there may have been a handful of them in the US before both countries started to regulate them as invasive species over what happened in New Zealand. I'd call that a big shame for pushing this wonderful species to further obscurity. I would do a lot to hear their angelic temper-hissing in this game along with more representation.
 
I have to disagree with you about the Mountain Goat. I know the Woodland Park Zoo has them at least, and I think their appearance is unique enough to set them apart from the caprids we have right now. I'm not saying that we will get them, just that its inclusion is more likely than you might think.
Yaa I LOVE mountain goat, they are actual pretty big.
 
It has been a while since I have updated this list. I got busy with some irl stuff and I ended up forgetting what I wanted to put on the list so I have to start over. Ont thing that is hard about making this list is we all know that there will be so many animals excluded from the game so picking the right animal to discuss about isn't easy. Because after a certain point, it is just going to be me saying either "because no one cares or asked for this animal", "this animal is not common in captivity", or becasue "we already have xyz." Despite the redundancies I still enjoy making this thread. So let's get right to the next entries:

People have incessantly wanted the maned wolf for the longest point to the point which it was the second most wanted animal in the meta wishlist. The people have gotten what they have wanted, alas this is likely to come at a small price which may or may not matter depending on the player. There probably isn't much space for a second canine which is why the Bush Dog in't likely to appear any time soon. In addition to having its possible niche filled as a South American canid, this animal, which is also referred as the savanna dog by most sources, lost its chance of representing the grasslands which it resides in to the same maned wolf. Maybe it could have a chance to appear as a rainforrest animal, but I wouldn't count on it since it roughlygot a quarter of the votes the maned wolf got and pople are not too keen on seeing any more canines...

The fact that the base game has provided a big number of African antelope in the base game does not seem to stop frontier from adding new species of African antelope such as the scimitar-horned oryx Nile lechwe and the blue wildebeest. To be fair I cannot blame frontier since there is a great variety of antelope from Africa by many factors such as physique, habitat, and conservation status. Initially I was going to have one species of African antelope on today's installment of the list since the base game already had two members of the genus Tragelaphus, that being the bongo and nyala. Of the regognized animals listed under this genus*, I have heard many times that people have wanted a kudu so any of the two species of kudu has a chance to shine. Of the remaining species I won't be listing the two(?) species of bushbuck and mountain nyala aren't worth discssing about since they are the obvious case of "rare in captivity" and for this thread I rather focus on mundane species( and/or those that are well kept in captivity**). The Sitatunga was the first animal that came to my mind when ı was thinking "we will not be getting a third Tragelaphus" and this could be reflected by the community's lack of interest towards it. Which is a shame because we could have had a wetland antelope in the base game but alas, it seems like the savannah and forests were higher of Frontier's priority animals. What does not help is that the niche for an aquatic antelope was snagged by the lechwe.

Now this next listing may be a bit conroversial. While I was lookg at extant species of antelope I have realized that there is a clade that seems to be more represented than the genus Tragelaphus: the subfamly Hippotraginae. With two species in the base game and one more added in a DLC a fourth member is unlikely to be added even with the great support it gets from the community. I am talking about the Addax. While the addax could also be saved for having previously been on Zoo Tycoon 2, there is a big number of medium-sized antelope in PZ. The dama gazelle which shares a similar range and the same IUCN status could get a higher chance being a smaller antelope, a group which is not represented as much as medium sized antelope.

Well this is it for now. I will be back once I am done with some errands.

*I am aware that hooftock taxonomy isn't much stable and if nyone has to confront me about my errors please @ me at a taxonomic discussion or ungulate thread rather than drive away from the subject of this thread.

**I probably should have mentioned this criterion on the first post of my thread.
 
Now this next listing may be a bit conroversial. While I was lookg at extant species of antelope I have realized that there is a clade that seems to be more represented than the genus Tragelaphus: the subfamly Hippotraginae. With two species in the base game and one more added in a DLC a fourth member is unlikely to be added even with the great support it gets from the community. I am talking about the Addax. While the addax could also be saved for having previously been on Zoo Tycoon 2, there is a big number of medium-sized antelope in PZ. The dama gazelle which shares a similar range and the same IUCN status could get a higher chance being a smaller antelope, a group which is not represented as much as medium sized antelope.
Despite having said this a month ago the more I think about it the more I feel like changing my mind. However when looking at discussions,more often than not, do I see the addax mentioned over the Arabian oryx. This could be reflected by random goat's poll which the Arabian oryx only has the quarter of what the addax has for votes. The fact that we also have two species of oryx in the game already does not help the Arabian oryx either.

People are really insistent with the ide of the island pack probably becaue it would be bringing the community's 4 most wanted species (the fossa, the Tasmanian devil, a tree kangaroo, and a kiwi). I have barely seen the Carribean Isles be mentioned (which to be fair their mostof their recognizable animals are bounf to be exhibit animals.) But if any animal is likely to make it as a habitat animal (and a unique one at that) it would be the Cuban Hutia. However, given the introduction to this paragraph I would not expect any love to be given to this guy. The essential animal wishlist does not help either with only one vote given to this wonderfull monkey rodent.
 
Pere David’s deer after being omitted in base game, wetlands pack and conservation pack and later addition of Red deer as the anniversary animal - I don’t see a big chance for them making into the game any soon. They are such a unique species, extinct in the wild and very important for zoo history so I hope I am not right.

Addax we’ve received 3 antelopes in DLC’s in 2022 alone so the chances for them are getting thinner but from the species that I am showcasing here I still think they have the biggest chance to be added to the roster in Drylands pack or as the anniversary animal in the upcoming year. They are quite popular and recognizable, also antelopes still seems to be quite popular among the community and frontier showed us that they like to throw a oddball like that from time to time.

Somali wild donkey equids are really underrepresented in the game right now and I really hope that it would change since those donkeys are really unique looking and also endangered but also not so popular among the community. I would be thrilled to get them but the chances seems slim seeing their popularity and high demand for more popular species and animals with totally new mechanics like birds or full aquatics.
 
Despite having said this a month ago the more I think about it the more I feel like changing my mind. However when looking at discussions,more often than not, do I see the addax mentioned over the Arabian oryx. This could be reflected by random goat's poll which the Arabian oryx only has the quarter of what the addax has for votes. The fact that we also have two species of oryx in the game already does not help the Arabian oryx either.
First of all, how dare you?

On a serious note, I think it will either come in a 'clone' pack or not at all, as much as I want it. We do have a great mod for it.
 
Somali wild donkey equids are really underrepresented in the game right now
Are they? There are 4 "types" of wild equids. Zebra, horse, asian donkey and african donkey.

2/4 is not bad to be honest, especially when we have both asian and aftican species.
 
I don’t think there’s really a such thing as habitat snakes. To my knowledge no zoo keeps snakes in a open area setup because even a heavy anaconda could find a way to escape. I think frontier got it right with snakes even tho some dislike the exhibits. Snakes are pretty inactive animals for the most part having snakes that moved most of the time would be far more unrealistic.
 
I don’t think there’s really a such thing as habitat snakes. To my knowledge no zoo keeps snakes in a open area setup because even a heavy anaconda could find a way to escape. I think frontier got it right with snakes even tho some dislike the exhibits. Snakes are pretty inactive animals for the most part having snakes that moved most of the time would be far more unrealistic.
Also in nature snakes don't move much unless they have to.
 
I think I missed thread when it was first posted. We may never got anything that's 100% marine animal.

In fact, given the recent financial support, even though Planet Zoo is doing well, Frontier appears to be gearing up for another Planet game in 2023. I think it's likely 2023 will be the last full year of content, and I do really hope it's at least a full years worth. We might see a pack or two in early 2024. Either way, unless Frontier started releasing different sized content, they'd pretty much have to switch over to almost all marine animals to have a good number of them in the game. And with everything else that's being asked for, high profile land animals, I don't see them switching to fully marine species.

I'm just really hoping that the next Planet game will indeed be Planet Aquarium.
 
I have to disagree with you about the Mountain Goat. I know the Woodland Park Zoo has them at least, and I think their appearance is unique enough to set them apart from the caprids we have right now. I'm not saying that we will get them, just that its inclusion is more likely than you might think.
If we were to get another NA caprid I think the musk ox would be a better choice
 
I don’t think there’s really a such thing as habitat snakes. To my knowledge no zoo keeps snakes in a open area setup because even a heavy anaconda could find a way to escape.
The local wildlife rescue place where I used to live (Bonorong sanctuary, near Hobart, in Tasmania) kept tiger snakes and copperheads (both very venomous) in an open display. The 1m high smooth metal fence seemed to contain them well enough. Nevertheless, I don’t see snakes being added to PZ as habitat animals.
 
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