Ah but it wasn't was it? Ep3 was, so that's really that. No need to worry about it any more eh?
Community Event / Creation LAVE RADIO - A podcast about Elite Dangerous
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Ah but it wasn't was it? Ep3 was, so that's really that. No need to worry about it any more eh?
Thanks for the feedback
Sorry you haven't enjoyed it as it's gone on. Obviously we know we can't please everybody all of the time.Hopefully most of our listeners don't come to us for any "new" information, because to be totally honest we don't get any!
Although if anyone at FD would like to use us as a mouthpiece to break any important news, we'd love it. (I'm kidding. Actually I'm not. No, really, I'm kidding. I'm not.)Ultimately we just have to do our thing, provide a digest of the cool bits of E-D's development for those who don't read a lot of the forums and try to provide some insightful debate and commentary.
And of course there is the banter. A bit like the old BBC remit we aim to entertain, educate and inform (with about 50% entertain, 50% inform and as little education as we can possibly manage.) But banter isn't entertaining for everybody. We get that.
We do worry about length though. All I can honestly say is that when we're editing we try to cut anything that isn't entertaining or interesting. So what you're hearing in the final edit is everything that we genuinely find interesting or entertaining. We'd never put anything out that we're not interested in.
It's all down to preference, I guess. But we took the decision that with current technology and a mature podcast culture, we'd entertain those who like a longer production.
If there are specific features that people don't like then we can work on that. But running time is such an abstract feature that it's hard to rationalise changes.
I'm not sure if that makes sense.
I was listening to Ep 6 (I'll confess while playing X3TC - I have to have something until Elite Dangerous is released) and suddenly they did the community shout out, and I was thinking "wow, that went quick".
Yes, they have settled into a format, but every show on TV & radio does that. What will be a challenge to the Lave Radio boys, is changing things so it doesn't get stale and boring.
Yes, they have settled into a format, but every show on TV & radio does that. What will be a challenge to the Lave Radio boys, is changing things so it doesn't get stale and boring.
I think it also depends how you listen to podcasts. I listen to a crazy amount of podcasts, radio drama and other stuff. I usually find I run out of stuff to listen to before I run out of time to listen. But then I listen to podcasts when driving, cooking, washing up, doing the housework, playing games, in the bath.
But you're right, we don't want to get stale. There's a lot of stuff we turn down discussing, because it's a retread of what we've already done. As I said (in a very roundabout way in my last post) we know that if it isn't entertaining for us, it won't be entertaining for you. Trust me, the amount of work that goes into the podcast we definitely want to keep it interesting. We've got the new audio drama coming up and we've still got a lot of writers to talk to.
you wouldnt have to , im sure if you recorded 3 hours for episode 6 and cut it down to 1hr50, you can reformat your show so that your 3 hour
recording session could be split up and edited into small bite sizes and then uploaded daily.
it would help with bandwith issues for those who wanted to download to their mobiles via 3g/4g.
using a smaller bite size episode you could spend 20 mins on one subject or author for each day, i think it just makes sence.
take radio as an example. you may have a 3 hour show but its made so that its in 20 min segments, otherwise people turn off.
Ian Phillips
Volunteer Moderator
It's not just preference.
I don't have upfront access to the DDF discussions until they are moved by Ashley. Having read one of those threads completely, I am very grateful for the overview and discussion that you provide. You do have new material for me, and it's entertaining and the glimpses that you give into other parts of the develoment process (writes guides and author interviews) is another source of info that I don't have access to.
The length of the episodes are fine so far. So - great. Keep it up!
And now I'm off home (16:00 european time here
) to listen to your latest offering.You missed my point on being responsive.
Its an interesting point if people are listening online. John has the stats on proportions of download and streaming. Perhaps we'll run a poll if the idea becomes something we want to do.
Considering the amount of work and commitment needed to produce something like the podcasts, I'm surprised anyone manages (is prepared) to do anything on this scale in their spare time. Kudos to the Laveradio.com team!!
Regarding length, I don't think it matters. Its not a radio broadcast after all, in that if you don't listen to it all in one go you miss it. I find I listen 3-4 times anyway because I don't take in all the information the first time, because I'm being distracted by various things.
I know you did a poll about format. I'm not sure what changed, but its a bit more problematic listening on my Android phone now, than the first couple of episodes where I would simply click and play.
Keep up the good work please.
Regarding length, I don't think it matters. Its not a radio broadcast after all, in that if you don't listen to it all in one go you miss it. I find I listen 3-4 times anyway because I don't take in all the information the first time, because I'm being distracted by various things.
I know you did a poll about format. I'm not sure what changed, but its a bit more problematic listening on my Android phone now, than the first couple of episodes where I would simply click and play.
Keep up the good work please.
Hi Commander Brewster, glad you're still with us!
Are you using Chrome on Android? Apparently there are issues with download MP3 files where they get renamed to <filename>.mpga. There is a ticket on Google code for this bug.
If it's not that issue, may I ask how you are listening? On Android I would recommend using the download link, hold down on it and then selecting "save link". This downloads the whole file. You should then be able to find it in your library and play as normal.
thanks:smilie:
I dont want to come across as someone trash talking your show as i know only to well how much effort goes into producing podcasts, Im just giving feedback,
as with my ebook covers and signatures, I always try and please the forum members with their request, and if they aint happy im not happy. and I work hard to make sure that they go away with something they are happy with.
maybe I have it a little easier as I work on a 1to1 basis where you are going for "trying to please everyone all of the time". not an easy task.
either way your shows are well put together, just to long for me.
Mobile bandwidth is potentially something we should be aware of, although I'm not totally sure how the downloading/streaming balance works. I use RSSDemon and it's a complete mystery to me.
We do try and aim for 1hr to 1hr 15 podcasts, but it doesn't always work out. I think trying to do 20 minutes segments would be an additional editorial burden we're not keen to take on, but there is definitely mileage in breaking a single 2hr podcast into two halves. We can bear that in mind. We can still release them at the same time as "part 1" and "part 2" and people can download them however is most convenient.
I do appreciate that. I think we're all in a situation where we are putting an awful lot into making and doing things to try to support what should be an amazing game. I have a similar attitude to my work (I am my own biggest critic).
As I said, your points are definitely noted.
Thanks John, will pay more attention to the download option
Thought I'd chime in to say I appreciate the long format episodes, I'm looking for detailed chat and opinions about the game and not just the headlines, and that takes time. Whether it's one big chunk or multiple smaller doesn't really matter to me, probably easier one big chunk but not a big deal.
Agreed, the insight into DDF machinations is greatly valued. To begin with it seemed like DDF discussions would be readable quite quickly on the PBF, perhaps a week "behind time", and additionally DDF members would often come to PBF or main forums to solicit opinions on ongoing discussions, but that seems to have stopped (or had a stop put to it - I'm not sure).
Anyway, having some news and views on the ongoing DDF is very interesting.
Agreed, the insight into DDF machinations is greatly valued. To begin with it seemed like DDF discussions would be readable quite quickly on the PBF, perhaps a week "behind time", and additionally DDF members would often come to PBF or main forums to solicit opinions on ongoing discussions, but that seems to have stopped (or had a stop put to it - I'm not sure).
Anyway, having some news and views on the ongoing DDF is very interesting.
I liked the bit where you nearly revealed how important the onesie is going to be... other than that it was bit...well..... aerm... excellent.
I have to be honest, some of the earlier podcasts didnt hold my attention for the whole episode. I had to listen to them 2 or 3 times to get a good grasp of them, but the last 3 releases have been captivating..
Mobius I would reccomend listening to the last 2 hour epic, and maybe break it into chunks yourself? It will surprise you.
I was going to listen to it bit by bit, but ended up doing accounts all day today half awake becuase I had to listen to it all in one go..
Anyway THREE CHEERS for the Lave Radio team..
I have to be honest, some of the earlier podcasts didnt hold my attention for the whole episode. I had to listen to them 2 or 3 times to get a good grasp of them, but the last 3 releases have been captivating..
Mobius I would reccomend listening to the last 2 hour epic, and maybe break it into chunks yourself? It will surprise you.
I was going to listen to it bit by bit, but ended up doing accounts all day today half awake becuase I had to listen to it all in one go..
Anyway THREE CHEERS for the Lave Radio team..
I've found something weird with the podcasts, and I'm not sure if it's my audio player or the podcast files. I download them from the web site.
I use Xion audio player, and it's just been upgraded - since then, the podcast files all play at different speeds. Episodes 1, 2 and 4 play at about three times normal speed, making everyone sound like speeded up munchkins.
Episodes 3 and 6 play at slightly higher pitch than normal, making everyone sound either like they've been puffing helium or have had their tentacles* removed.
Episode 5 plays at normal speed.
Writer's Interviews are also affected. None play at ludicrous speeds, but all bar one play at slightly higher rates.
Since they all play fine in the previous version of Xion and in WMP I've raised a bug with the Xion developer, but it would be interesting if there's a pattern related to how the MP3s were originally created.
* really? "********s" has been censored but "" hasn't??
I use Xion audio player, and it's just been upgraded - since then, the podcast files all play at different speeds. Episodes 1, 2 and 4 play at about three times normal speed, making everyone sound like speeded up munchkins.
Episodes 3 and 6 play at slightly higher pitch than normal, making everyone sound either like they've been puffing helium or have had their tentacles* removed.
Episode 5 plays at normal speed.
Writer's Interviews are also affected. None play at ludicrous speeds, but all bar one play at slightly higher rates.
Since they all play fine in the previous version of Xion and in WMP I've raised a bug with the Xion developer, but it would be interesting if there's a pattern related to how the MP3s were originally created.
* really? "********s" has been censored but "" hasn't??
The auto-censor is crazy! Necessary, I suppose... but crazy!
We use variable bit rate when encoding the MP3. Sounds like the bug in your player is not recognising this or can't work out the correct bit rate.
Ian Phillips
Volunteer Moderator
A bit of feedback about the length:
this is the first podcast where I found my attention wandering (after 1:20). So my impression is that around 1 hour is about the right length.
this is the first podcast where I found my attention wandering (after 1:20). So my impression is that around 1 hour is about the right length.