The Thargoid War: System States Clarifications

I can understand losing bar progress if objectives weren't achieved within a certain timeframe, like if you only reached 75% in one week and so you lose something like 25% progress the following tick. But resetting to zero is way, way too much.
 
I feel bad for anyone that's worked so hard and then it gets reset 😬
Pick yourself up. Dust yourself down. Get back into the fight. Honestly I've been more surprised that folks are seemingly expecting the war to be over early in the new year and that the Thargoids would be a pushover on week 1.

For the last week of effort I've put another billion in the bank (I'm only just rich enough to buy a carrier). Have winged up with strangers to fight hydra, started investigating the new content, and am enjoying the sense of danger in the bubble. I've had a lot of fun so there's no need to feel bad!

Yes, there's some tweaking behind the scenes from FDev. Definitely some bug fixing for instancing issues in public. There's also some community effort needed to understand the war mechanics in order to work out how to contain the Thargoids and start the push back. Then there's the narrative advancement for the next two releases to look forward to as well.

For now containment seems to be the best option (trying to stop further advances), but we don't know how to do that yet after only one week of fighting...
 
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Why fight when the war is rigged?

If we had done nothing at all last week, the results would be exactly the same as they are today anyway. There's no player agency at all.

There's no actual war, it's just a narrative that FD wants to tell, and it will go the way they want it to go.
G'Quan wrote, "There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain" - G'Kar, Babylon 5 quote.



Do not fall in to despair, do not lose hope.
 
As someone who wanted peace with the Thargoid when we still had chances years back. All I can say is consequences. Not every Cmdr wanted War to begin with and having watch this go up in smoke knew it was going to be impossible

Now I see a lot of hopelessness with in the AXI and others who supported this direction. The same kind of hopelessness for those aiming for peace knew it was impossible cause some other Cmdrs with to much ego think shooting everything in sight was the best solution.

Personally any Cmdr who wanted peace before this should remain in this position and just watch battle go up side down and enjoy the fire works. You played your position with dedication and to try to avoid this fiasco. You were not apart of it to begin with so you have no responsibility to help clean up the other half mess. You shouldn't have to inherit the problem of the other half the cmdrs who wanted this. And you shouldn't even bother taking any blame for not helping especially those that made the choice on the your first Thargoid interaction years back.
 
As someone who wanted peace with the Thargoid when we still had chances years back. All I can say is consequences. Not every Cmdr wanted War to begin with and having watch this go up in smoke knew it was going to be impossible

Now I see a lot of hopelessness with in the AXI and others who supported this direction. The same kind of hopelessness for those aiming for peace knew it was impossible cause some other Cmdrs with to much ego think shooting everything in sight was the best solution.

Personally any Cmdr who wanted peace before this should remain in this position and just watch battle go up side down and enjoy the fire works. You played your position with dedication and to try to avoid this fiasco. You were not apart of it to begin with so you have no responsibility to help clean up the other half mess. You shouldn't have to inherit the problem of the other half the cmdrs who wanted this. And you shouldn't even bother taking any blame for not helping especially those that made the choice on the your first Thargoid interaction years back.
Plot wise, there are people in need. Like Matshiru it had population of 1206:
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Now its 0:
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So if you wanted Peace, you wanted it for the people right? Would you abandon them when they are in need now? ( Plot wise).
 
I've had more fun and been more engaged in this last week than I've been for a long time. The feeling that you are part of a huge community effort is fantastic, I understand the huge complexity of simulating a war on a galactic scale and maintaining interest in it over time. No one wants this to be an easy win and losses are to be expected but to witness the massive effort so many of us put in over the last 7 days just wiped is really hard to take and if not addressed will kill this narrative dead. I know the CM team are monitoring this and passing it on so hopefully they are reviewing and can adjust this somehow to recognise the effort being put in and give us a reason to stay engaged.
 
What also saddens me is Elite was never a game with a plot or story we had to follow, which is what I loved about it and brought me back in to play ED for years.

This feels like it is ruining that, not the mechanics of how the war resets but whole thing.
 
Unless the Thargoid war mechanics are set in a way where the communities can make a meaningful difference in the war might as well just turn the game servers off now forever and say the Thargoids won. What ya gonna do?
Probably introduce new gear and mechanics over time, so that what appears now to be an unwinnable war will gradually see a shift in the balance of power. Which would actually be pretty good.

Elite dangerous players:

We want to see the bubble burn!

Also Elite Dangerous players:

Well when we say burn, we don't actually mean burn, we mean we want to be told we're facing an unwinnable war whilst actually winning every week.

I'll tell you what's going to happen here if people aren't very careful. This is all going to get rebalanced around the game as it is today, then when whatever new stuff is planned gets introduced, everybody is going to be moaning that it's too easy and no challenge. All of this has happened before, all of this will happen again.
 
Plot wise, there are people in need. Like Matshiru it had population of 1206:
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Now its 0:
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So if you wanted Peace, you wanted it for the people right? Would you abandon them when they are in need now? ( Plot wise).
That summoned it. I did not wanted this war and always stayed away from Thargoids or did not show any hostile behaviour. Also i did not support any expansion attempts into their territory and did not support salvation / azimuth. But i will try to rescue as many inhabitants in my home system as possible and defend it with all my (laughable) power if necessary. The poor people have suffered enough from the mad rulers all around the human bubble. They deserve that at least someone is trying to rescue them from a horrible fate.
 
For those that just wanted to shoot things yeah it's their problem now. We aim for peace you all ruined so it doesn't fall on to those wanted peace to deal with other Cmdrs problems. If you point out who has the blood on their hands AXI and any people involved in Thargoid killing simple fact.

And those who played on the whims of the Powers you played for the corrupt fools like Hudson and he got his own people killed.

I doubt any of those who attack Thargoid were thinking of life before this so it is irrelevant to you then and as it is still now. Now it's a intergalactic War where it's not about the life itself but the numbers. You can't save everyone in space because it's to vast to attack and defend.
 
Once again there was a perfect opportunity to explain exactly how these game mechanics worked. In two hours of watching the Frameshift live not once did any CM mention that this would be reset every week. There was no post that mentioned the reset every week.
Now having spent playing for 5-6hours a day for a week then dropping this information only yesterday beggars belief.
 
What also saddens me is Elite was never a game with a plot or story we had to follow, which is what I loved about it and brought me back in to play ED for years.

This feels like it is ruining that, not the mechanics of how the war resets but whole thing.
I largely feel the same way until a station I cared about was attacked a few years ago. I cut short an exploration trip & returned to repair it, took me 3 months getting help from strangers where i could. It felt a bit like a natural disaster (like in simcity 2000 :D) that I reacted to & it provided a focus point to commit to. I didn't want it to happen but I met some cool people & overall it was a memorable event, kinda like a more personal, mini-community goal.
 
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