This sounds too much like a game rather than an immersive simulation. Bars shouldn't reset, it should gradually go one way or the other. Partial progress should be rewarded too.
This sounds too much like a game rather than an immersive simulation. Bars shouldn't reset, it should gradually go one way or the other. Partial progress should be rewarded too.
Should an immersive simulation have a progress bar at all?
Yeah... since we don't have visual confirmations of damage, intel info from local commanding HQ, strategic estimate and other stuff which tell us how we stand on the battlefield.
All that is in a simple progress bar
HOld on, there are other games out there???I don't like idea of resets, but some people behave here like it would mean end of universe, bubble, and their only game, which they know
<grabbing popcorn>
It is a little jarring to suddenly have the galaxy map presenting it all in such a way, tutorial and all, but I'll take it over the previous method of fighting blindfolded.
Gotta have something to do while alt-tabbed in supercruise.
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Unless I've missed a barely-damaged but under attack station stage, by the time they're under attack the station guns are offline.
Not defending FDev in the slightest but I understand what they're doing here. I also believe it was implemented awkwardly and also see two problems here:
Given they're sticking to their guns with their "What's done is done approach" (obviously leaving room for many, many CGs down the road to repair these stations should the players ever win this thing) it looks like the entire system is designed to encourage players to take loss and build strategies based on those loses. Except we're looking at a war on multiple fronts and unless we have enough coordinated Squadrons we're basically dummy-firing a crap ton of solo and winged players at this thing in hopes we'll eventually put out a fire with pure numbers.
And as everyone has already mentioned it's demoralizing to watch that counter reset to zero at the end of the day. Again, I get that you're giving us an opportunity to fall back and gather our resources instead of just letting the Goids clear the bubble in one fail swoop, but isn't there a better way y'all coulda represented that on the scoreboard? I know it's too late to change anything now but c'mon y'all. Not complaining the system itself needs to be easier to coast through, heck no, just reported better, somehow. Not gonna start throwing out "How abouts..." either because I'm not on the payroll. But c'monnnn, you make-a my mudda cry
Given they're sticking to their guns with their "What's done is done approach" (obviously leaving room for many, many CGs down the road to repair these stations should the players ever win this thing) it looks like the entire system is designed to encourage players to take loss and build strategies based on those loses. Except we're looking at a war on multiple fronts and unless we have enough coordinated Squadrons we're basically dummy-firing a crap ton of solo and winged players at this thing in hopes we'll eventually put out a fire with pure numbers.
And as everyone has already mentioned it's demoralizing to watch that counter reset to zero at the end of the day. Again, I get that you're giving us an opportunity to fall back and gather our resources instead of just letting the Goids clear the bubble in one fail swoop, but isn't there a better way y'all coulda represented that on the scoreboard? I know it's too late to change anything now but c'mon y'all. Not complaining the system itself needs to be easier to coast through, heck no, just reported better, somehow. Not gonna start throwing out "How abouts..." either because I'm not on the payroll. But c'monnnn, you make-a my mudda cry
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If one participates in an election, you notice that at the end an evaluation is often presented as a bar chart, for example. Is that "gamey"?
Interesting. Is this true? I was just wondering about that myself. From the screenshots being shown, it seemed like there was only system-level progress.
The Invasion state could be considered to be multiple separate states
- Invasion Danger 4 (four to six stations left)
- Invasion Danger 3 (two or three stations left)
- Invasion Danger 2 (one station left)
- Invasion Danger 1 (no stations left)
So it could be viewed as a series of separate battles over a station (or set of stations) each week, and so progress (failing to) protect Station A doesn't help with protecting Station B.
(But if you protect Station A in Invasion Danger 3, the Thargoids decide the system isn't worth throwing more forces at right now and so you never have to defend Station B at all)
Relax he is just winding us up, the only other game is Eye Spy which gets old very fast unless you have a really big computer room.
Yeah... since we don't have visual confirmations of damage, intel info from local commanding HQ, strategic estimate and other stuff which tell us how we stand on the battlefield.
All that is in a simple progress bar
My question was about the concept of "immersive simulation" in response to:
First, I loathe that people speak of Elite as a mere game. But then that's my problem, I really can't push it off on others. Sigh. So anyway -
I play exclusively in VR and never get out of my ship (flatland). I'm going for immersive simulation in the sense of "As close to real life in a thousand years or so as I can get, kinda sorta."
I have noticed that my life has no progress bar, as far as I've been able to find. I'm still alive. Yay me. I look around and see my stuff. Yay me. That's really the extent of any progress bars in my life.
I was in a war long ago. There was no progress bar then either.
That's what I'm currently getting from EDO.
Of course this should not be seen as me objecting to others wanting, perhaps getting, a progress bar. (I don't.) I just think this is plenty realistic enough. For me. In the spirit of immersive simulation as I understand it.
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How long have you been watching Frontier?
You never get a second chance to make a first impression.
Yeah can you imagine if someone made a space sim that annually reset everything including all the ships and equipment you worked hard for?I don't like idea of resets, but some people behave here like it would mean end of universe, bubble, and their only game, which they know
<grabbing popcorn>
...............oh wait
Your better off here
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