No Single Player offline Mode then?

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But you told us you were making a different game.
All I'm asking is that make and give us the game you told us you would. Not a different game.

I didn't help finance (and later buy) some game but only the game you promised us.

Exactly.

I might have backed this game (I'd probably have waited till it was discounted after release, though), but definitely not at the level that I backed Elite: Dangerous.

I wasted quite a lot of money in a game I no longer feel comfortable supporting, due to what has proved to be false advertising.
 
forgive my bad English but I am not mother tongue, the use of some terms may be inappropriate to, but please try to interpret my words in well.

The market offers only yellow car, 99% of shoppers loves the yellow and then the big producers to maximize sales produce only yellow car.
One day a person speaks on kickstarter to 1% of buyers who want the cars in green and pink. From this 1% of consumers on the kickstarter person raises millions to produce 18 green cars and 2 pink cars too.
During production of the car you realize that it is possible to produce 18 green cars, but it is too expensive to produce only 2 exemplars of pink car. Then years after harvest and used the money of the people who wanted the pink car ... you communicate to them that they can not have the car pink, but green.

Now I have nothing against you or your company ... but do not give to the people what they paid for ... it's bad behavior morally and legally.

So at this point it may be legitimate for the people who wanted the pink car asking for their money back.

However, this is not the case. The Manufacturer said: We are making a car that has built in GPS, Heated Seats, Self Driving capabilities, and comes in Black, White, Gold, and Pink. However, it became apparent that in order to make the car in pink, they would need to strip the car of its GPS, Heated Seats, and Self Driving capabilities, leaving it without some of its most defining features. So they came out and told the community that they could not offer the car in Pink, because it would fundamentally change the car that was promised. The 2% who were planning to buy the Pink car then lash out at the company calling them dishonest, and demanding a refund. The company calmly explains the reason, despite being consistently jabbed with pitchforks, and states that they are welcome to a refund through normal measures.

The mob then continues to poke him and demand a refund. At this point, the company has every right to slap the mob. But for unknown reasons and through unknown powers of self control they do not. I was buying the Gold car myself, but yeah, pink would have been nice. However, I understand why they decided not to do pink.
 
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We have always said the way to play the game is online - indeed it says so in the quote of me being circulated. The choice was develop the game in the way we wanted, or not. Trying to make it offline would have made both experiences worse than we were willing to tolerate. We had to make the decision and have done so. I would say that an offline rewrite of the game is unlikely for the future.

Michael

Hi Michael, first let me say I really appreciate you taking the time on a weekend to come on here and answer questions.

Personally I don't care there's no offline mode but I obviously do feel for the people who'll not be able to play the game due to bad connections etc

However surely this design change should have been communicated to the community when it was decided upon as it's been a regular talking point on the forums for months now, additionally some people may have still being buying into the game on the premise of an offline mode.

You can see why some think it smells of FD not wanting to jeopardise any sales by keeping this news right up until the final newsletter.
 
The problem is that you wouldn't have got that. During the kickstarter we thought we would be able to operate a dual mode with the offline version cut down. As we've progressed more of the game has had to exist online, so much so that an offline version would be mostly a new and different game - which is something we can't support.

Michael

As I've said a lot, I don't need offline (right now) but I'd like it.

Um, yeah... so... ummm.. FD realized they couldn't deliver a certain feature? Happens to the best of us... Why just yesterday I was alone in a hotel room...

HANG ABOUT.

QUESTION: Does: "I'm really sorry, I don't think I can do this" feel much less painful after a kiss and grope in an elevator, or
after the elevator stops and you've been invited back to the room and then someone says "I'm really sorry, I can't do this"?

ENQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW

Anyway, I'll still be playing the game. I have now learned that FD is the same as all the rest of those computer companies. I was going to hold off on judgement until the 16th but nah... we aren't a community of anything but dollar signs.

(opinions may change when the poster sobers up. stand by for a sober reevluation of this p-ost)
 
We have always said the way to play the game is online - indeed it says so in the quote of me being circulated. The choice was develop the game in the way we wanted, or not. Trying to make it offline would have made both experiences worse than we were willing to tolerate. We had to make the decision and have done so. I would say that an offline rewrite of the game is unlikely for the future.
Michael

You would say that an offline rewrite of the game is unlikely for the future, mean that there is a possibility ... i know that you choose well your words so as dev you know that its doable but not in the scope for the moment .. until the customer pressure ring bells :)
I hope there will be a change in the Frontier view and you will be able to say .. okay we will try :)
 
Check rules and conditions for both Kickstarter and ED store.

I have to keep saying this: If an EU citizen wants a refund the store terms are no longer valid due to lack of a durable stating technical constraints at contract time, the position is there is no longer a contract in place. This is for STORE purchases only.

Kickstarter refund is untested here, it would have to be shown it was a purchase of digital content and that's not currently how it's stated, it's considered an funding investment. It could be proven as a purchase however, as it has been in Washington USA, who knows. I am not interested in this. I think the game is a lame duck but I backed for personal reasons that still stand.

Store buyers who do approach FD for refunds please PM me with your experiences. I have offered to fund a UK test case out of my own pocket if it ever goes that far and I am collecting information. I am getting 'digital law' advice and we can share this with you if needed.
 
You have to have online connection to play the game which is online game to begin with.

Try "You don't have to have online connection to play the game which is offline game to begin with."

Works fine. There was going to be an option: Online or offline. You choose. Online needs a connnection, offline doesn't.
 
So, not only was the decision made some time ago, but the message was not communicated. ALL because they don't want you to run the server at home, and get all the secrets of the galaxy. Fact is, if they can put it on a server, than you can too, in your house, thus creating an offline variant. This isn't about time, money, or compromising the quality of the game, or having to make a separate game. The ONLY solution that was ever viable from the start, was running the galaxy at your house, be it on your client machine, or a dedicated machine in your house, and that would compromise only one thing, their secrets. In the end, THAT is the end of the argument. No amount debate or conversation will change that, it is obvious now. I will take the good out of this experience, THANK YOU M. Brookes, you reminded me of the true core of the gaming industry, and time after time again, I have been disappointed by developers, who promise to make a game that people like me want to play, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS ONLINE, IT NEVER WILL BE, and then WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE to communicate those changes.
 
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There is a reason I used these --> " "

Yes, I saw... to try and make a tenuous connection between things that are actually not related at all... as I pointed out.

Check rules and conditions for both Kickstarter and ED store.

You mean like this, from KS FAQ -

What is a creator obligated to do once their project is funded?

When a project is successfully funded, the creator is responsible for completing the project and fulfilling each reward. Their fundamental obligation to backers is to finish all the work that was promised. Once a creator has done so, they’ve fulfilled their obligation to their backers. At the same time, backers must understand that Kickstarter is not a store. When you back a project, you’re helping to create something new — not ordering something that already exists. There’s a chance something could happen that prevents the creator from being able to finish the project as promised. If a creator is absolutely unable to complete the project and fulfill rewards, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to a satisfying conclusion for their backers.

All they have to do is offer a full refund to the disenfranchised and they've met the KS conditions as bolded above... but they're simply pointing us to a procedure that almost certainly will respond with "you're not entitled to a refund".
 
I would say that by looking at the refund policy, your entitled to a refund up to the day before the product is release the trouble is people paid for alpha/beta access have had it the end game and all expansions are free, so technically i doubt i will receive a refund, i will try but i can't see it happening, if that fails i will request a refund via my CC company, at the end of the day i paid £200 to back a game with offline access, that is no longer the case essentially I have been ripped off, the whole episode is a complete farce and I will never back anything with a KS campaign ever again. FD will certainly never see another penny from me for anything and I will no long recommend any of the products to anyone as I feel they can not be trusted to deliver on the product they requested backing for.

PM sent.
 
I would like a full refund (including skins and upgrades, about 200 pounds) but the store seems not to allow it in their interface or conditions.

Is there any other avenue I can seek, is there some standards agency or other government body I can contact ?

Anyone know about these things? Is anyone know the law on this. Product is not as what was advertised.
 
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I'm pretty sure people who say they could "murder a burger" when they are hungry, wouldn't actually go through with their threat to eliminate an already dead chunk of meet. Comparisons will always be comparisons.

Man just typing this, I could eat a horse!
You horrible man, I've been craving a burger for weeks now... Time to brave the cold for some Wendy's... Hope you're happy...

Well, I've said enough on this forums over the last two years.

This is 100% not the game I backed, supported, promoted, encouraged others to buy, and defended to the hilt. The way this has been handled stinks to the very core, and there has still not been one single word of apology for misleading your backers all this time.

As of now, I'm done.

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Enjoy your game.

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I will, thanks!
 
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Then i would want a refund of my £85.
(saying i cannot because i bought the beta is no excuse)

As i bought it for offline only,and as it been mentioned many times even by David Braben,i took his word that there would be offline play.

Me too! I have paid 120€ for the PB but 80€ i want back. The 40€ for PB i must pay and Frontier had made possible for me to test the Beta.
With this Newsletter, Frontier, you have many disappointed and frustrated Fans who want to Play ED offline and you have promised it since KS!
I Want my Money back and if not i ask a lawyer!
 
Well, I've said enough on this forums over the last two years.

This is 100% not the game I backed, supported, promoted, encouraged others to buy, and defended to the hilt. The way this has been handled stinks to the very core, and there has still not been one single word of apology for misleading your backers all this time.

As of now, I'm done.

Enjoy your game.

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See you on the 22nd :)
 
So offline was 100% of what you wanted of the game?
EVERY other feature is less important right?

Every other feature is irrelevant if I can't play it when my internet goes down, I'm outside of internet access, or FD's servers go dark.

So yes.

Offline was never a "nice to have". That phrase was reserved for "multiplayer" for me. It's 100% a core requirement, and the basis of why I backed almost £1000 on Kickstarter and since.

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See you on the 22nd :)

Why? Are you coming to my house? :eek:
 
Every other feature is irrelevant if I can't play it when my internet goes down, I'm outside of internet access, or FD's servers go dark.

So yes.

Offline was never a "nice to have". That phrase was reserved for "multiplayer" for me. It's 100% a core requirement, and the basis of why I backed almost £1000 on Kickstarter and since.

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Why? Are you coming to my house? :eek:

No, I'll be busy playing this excellent game. See you in space though :)
 
The mob then continues to poke him and demand a refund. At this point, the company has every right to slap the mob. But for unknown reasons and through unknown powers of self control they do not. I was buying the Gold car myself, but yeah, pink would have been nice. However, I understand why they decided not to do pink.

1 - paying customers are never the mob. They are the people that enable people like DB to create their own dreams and pet projects. Sometimes customers are very troublesome, sometimes very wrong, but they are enablers of business. not mobs.
2 - any company that 'slapped the mob (sic) \paying customer would be out of business very shortly as customers tend to not like that sort of thing.
 
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