Is Elite Dangerous a dead game? I compared it to some others ...

IstvaanDCIV

IstvaanDCIV
Rat Catcher said:
A subtle hint that the game is far from dead...
A war in a system in an uninteresting part of the bubble seems to have attracted a few participants!
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Yep, dead!
(I removed the system and PMF details - but it is a tiny PMF vs another tiny one - and they both brought in 'friends')
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I can't help but wonder how many of these little conflicts I never get to hear about. All those stories and subterfuges.
 

Lynexia

L
Alien said:
OK, so maybe no-one has asked this question, and maybe some (including me, I admit) have suggested that Elite Dangerous is a dying game. I thought that given another game on the list I will put below is pretty much dead, much to the annoyance of those who liked its promising start, I wanted to see how Elite Dangerous compares to other MMO's currently still going, regardless of genre. So I looked up the numbers on Steam Charts based on past 30 days:

GameSteam Charts Numbers
Final Fantasy XIV Online19,000 - 24,000
World Of Tanks14,600 - 12,000
World Of Warships8,300 - 7,300
Elite Dangerous4,200 - 4,900
Star Wars The Old Republic3,700 - 4,800
Eve Online3,700 - 3,700
Star Trek Online940 - 970
Lord Of The Rings Online737 - 842
Fisher Online517 - 612
DC Universe Online412 - 505
Dungeons & Dragons Online201 - 290
World Of Warplanes129 - 138
Champions Online72- 97
Starbase39 - 64

A couple of things to note here: Some of these games listed have their own launchers and those numbers aren't included here because there is no information available on those numbers. One obvious omission here is World Of Warcraft for that very reason, it's not on Steam. Single player games like Cyberpunk are also not included in this list.

So, as far as player numbers go, Elite Dangerous is doing quite well, based on Steam numbers. Starbase is the game I mentioned earlier, and even reviews and discussions on Steam are warning everyone it's a dead game. The developers are still trying to keep the game going, holding an in-game event in a few days time, but players are not expecting a good turn out for it.

So why is mentioning Starbase relevant? It's a game where you play a robot, in space, building and piloting space ships, with activities such as mining, trading, salvaging and pirating, just like Elite. And like Elite has come under heavy criticism for the decisions made by developers to add or remove features from the game, and yet the player numbers are incredibly low.

Even a game like SWTOR is still going, with pretty decent numbers compared to Elite Dangerous. SWTOR is a little older than Elite Dangerous, having launched in December 2011, at about the time Elite Dangerous's kickstart launched. It has had constant support from the developers with regular expansions, has a thriving cosmetic store, is Bioware's #1 earner for microtransactions and yet has had people saying or asking if the game is dead, for years.

So to summarise: Is Elite Dangerous dead? No, not yet it isn't, and there's no reason to think it will die any time soon, but Frontier only need to make one mistake, and they could see player support for Elite disappear overnight. You might say Frontier have made many mistakes since 2014, such as offline mode, dropping VR support and console support, but these haven't resulted in player numbers dropping to levels where the game is dead, such as Starbase. Personally, I hope Frontier turn things around and Elite Dangerous is still going in 10 years time, after all, World Of Warcraft is still going strong nearly 20 years after it launched, so who knows?
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Ok so; the numbers you're showing pretty obviously shows Elite as the best space "MMO" out there and you think it's dead?
 

Alien

Alien
Lynexia said:
Ok so; the numbers you're showing pretty obviously shows Elite as the best space "MMO" out there and you think it's dead?
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Maybe you want to read the first post again?
And as for the best space game in that list? Well, yes and no ... but this has all been said already. You have about 280 posts to catch up on.
 

MUTILADOR

MUTILADOR
Alien said:
OK, so maybe no-one has asked this question, and maybe some (including me, I admit) have suggested that Elite Dangerous is a dying game. I thought that given another game on the list I will put below is pretty much dead, much to the annoyance of those who liked its promising start, I wanted to see how Elite Dangerous compares to other MMO's currently still going, regardless of genre. So I looked up the numbers on Steam Charts based on past 30 days:

GameSteam Charts Numbers
Final Fantasy XIV Online19,000 - 24,000
World Of Tanks14,600 - 12,000
World Of Warships8,300 - 7,300
Elite Dangerous4,200 - 4,900
Star Wars The Old Republic3,700 - 4,800
Eve Online3,700 - 3,700
Star Trek Online940 - 970
Lord Of The Rings Online737 - 842
Fisher Online517 - 612
DC Universe Online412 - 505
Dungeons & Dragons Online201 - 290
World Of Warplanes129 - 138
Champions Online72- 97
Starbase39 - 64

A couple of things to note here: Some of these games listed have their own launchers and those numbers aren't included here because there is no information available on those numbers. One obvious omission here is World Of Warcraft for that very reason, it's not on Steam. Single player games like Cyberpunk are also not included in this list.

So, as far as player numbers go, Elite Dangerous is doing quite well, based on Steam numbers. Starbase is the game I mentioned earlier, and even reviews and discussions on Steam are warning everyone it's a dead game. The developers are still trying to keep the game going, holding an in-game event in a few days time, but players are not expecting a good turn out for it.

So why is mentioning Starbase relevant? It's a game where you play a robot, in space, building and piloting space ships, with activities such as mining, trading, salvaging and pirating, just like Elite. And like Elite has come under heavy criticism for the decisions made by developers to add or remove features from the game, and yet the player numbers are incredibly low.

Even a game like SWTOR is still going, with pretty decent numbers compared to Elite Dangerous. SWTOR is a little older than Elite Dangerous, having launched in December 2011, at about the time Elite Dangerous's kickstart launched. It has had constant support from the developers with regular expansions, has a thriving cosmetic store, is Bioware's #1 earner for microtransactions and yet has had people saying or asking if the game is dead, for years.

So to summarise: Is Elite Dangerous dead? No, not yet it isn't, and there's no reason to think it will die any time soon, but Frontier only need to make one mistake, and they could see player support for Elite disappear overnight. You might say Frontier have made many mistakes since 2014, such as offline mode, dropping VR support and console support, but these haven't resulted in player numbers dropping to levels where the game is dead, such as Starbase. Personally, I hope Frontier turn things around and Elite Dangerous is still going in 10 years time, after all, World Of Warcraft is still going strong nearly 20 years after it launched, so who knows?
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ED is on the same level as SWTOR, the latter is recognized as a dead game. And believe me, I had high hopes for SWTOR at the time, but it let everyone down. Something similar is happening with DE. The only certainly good game on this steam list is Final Fantasy XIV online (game I haven't tested).

PD: I think trying to say that ED isn't so bad because it's on a list of dying games is pathetic to me, and it doesn't help ED get out of the hole where it's falling.
 

Darrack

Darrack
MUTILADOR said:
ED is on the same level as SWTOR, the latter is recognized as a dead game
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Not entirely true
I played SWTOR for many, many years but the reasons folks deserted it was because Bioware insisted on tampering with gear progression to suit a tiny part of the player base and lets face it the storyline nose dived after Knights of the Eternal Throne.
However the main reason my group up'ed and left was due to the shocking optimisation (or lack of), SWTOR simnply wont run properly on moidern spec PCs.

But you cant compare the two anyway, SWTOR is a story driven MMO (admittedly one of the most fun i played especially the banter on DK at night!), ED is a true open world sandbox where you mostly make your own narative but can get involved with Fdevs storys if you want.

O7
 

Alien

Alien
MUTILADOR said:
ED is on the same level as SWTOR, the latter is recognized as a dead game. And believe me, I had high hopes for SWTOR at the time, but it let everyone down. Something similar is happening with DE. The only certainly good game on this steam list is Final Fantasy XIV online (game I haven't tested).

PD: I think trying to say that ED isn't so bad because it's on a list of dying games is pathetic to me, and it doesn't help ED get out of the hole where it's falling.
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I never said it was a list of dying games. FFXIV is one of the most popular MMO RPG's there is drawing bigger numbers than World Of Warcraft. SWTOR is seeing a revival thanks to opening up combat styles (so your Jedi Knight can use any force style, even Dark Side ones), but that won't last long, and even then SWTOR's numbers will have to drop a lot lower before it finally dies, heck you can still play Star Wars Galaxies if you have a legal copy of the discs and really want to try it.

The only game I said was dying/dead was Starbase, because it is, and even then there's still die-hards playing it.
 

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
Viajero
MUTILADOR said:
ED is on the same level as SWTOR, the latter is recognized as a dead game. And believe me, I had high hopes for SWTOR at the time, but it let everyone down. Something similar is happening with DE. The only certainly good game on this steam list is Final Fantasy XIV online (game I haven't tested).

PD: I think trying to say that ED isn't so bad because it's on a list of dying games is pathetic to me, and it doesn't help ED get out of the hole where it's falling.
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According to some Elite has been "falling into a hole" since even its first alpha back in 2013. That is 10 years of falling into a hole. Strangely, though, Elite this past Christmas has reached some of its highest player concurrency peaks since EDO release. Which are not too dissimilar to the concurrency figures prior to FC release. But hey I suppose at some point doom posts will be right as every game, not just Elite, meets it end eventually.
 

Eymerich

E
Viajero said:
According to some Elite has been "falling into a hole" since even its first alpha back in 2013. That is 10 years of falling into a hole. Strangely, though, Elite this past Christmas has reached some of its highest player concurrency peaks since EDO release. Which are not too dissimilar to the concurrency figures prior to FC release. But hey I suppose at some point doom posts will be right as every game, not just Elite, meets it end eventually.
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The financial report doesn't lie...
Anyway the improvment in those last 10 years have been ridiculus (two expansion in 10 years? really?) not to mention that they'll not be able to fullfill their vision (upon they have raised over 1.5 millions on such promises).
Anyway if people enjoy Elite the question honestly doesn't matter at all.
 

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
Viajero
Fnord Velkor said:
Presumably the profit warning that they blamed on poor F1 manager uptake etc - made the share price drop off a cliff. (Lost about 50% in a day - it is still under a fiver.)
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Ah ok, fair, but let´s not lose out of sight the results themselves were quite good overall. Just, less good than expected.
 

Fnord Velkor

Fnord Velkor
Viajero said:
Ah ok, fair, but let´s not lose out of sight the results themselves were quite good overall. Just, less good than expected.
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Oh yes, just a readjustment post the covid heights of gaming otherwise - the same effect can be seen in others in the sector, just that profit warning took people by surprise. (Though there had been share sales in the previous quarter by certain personnel - might have been a bit of a hint that things were not as rosy as the market thought.)

I believe most sites list FDEV as a "hold" still.
 
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