Well said! This sums it up for me too.
Move on if you aren't happy - get your refund and go.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Well said! This sums it up for me too.
Move on if you aren't happy - get your refund and go.
I was being sarcastic, since thats the most common descriptor given to those who are upset with this development..
Thanks. Thought I read it somewhere, but that is a real shame.
I wonder why they not find a way to release a cut down build. Say on the scale of 10000 systems, non dynamic markets etc?
I wish those seeking refunds because they were genuinely basing the decision on offline luck. But not for the KS element. That's the risk we took IMO.
You can't sell the "game" to someone else after you have finished with it. It breaks first purchase doctrine, which is illegal in some countries.
I'd say the refund should be no higher than the price of a pre-order. After all that is all they have lost, they have still been able to participate in beta so if they paid £100 or whatever for PB they could get back the £40 (i think) for the pre-order mercenary pack and surrender their right to a launch copy, beta testing and all the pre-order benefits. If they want to play the game later they can always rebuy it at whatever price and with whatever benefits are available at the time.
Yeah, punish them some more. Totally agree. Insult to injury! Salt in the wounds! We're the conductors of the craptrain!
How could I express how sad this news makes me? I backed ED during the kickstarter campaign because I loved the original game, and I was so glad to be part of the opportunity of bringing a modern space sim to fruition, not the least being that M. Braben would be at the helm. The fact that I'd have the choice of online action when at home, and still be able to bring my laptop with me on holidays and still be able to play said space sim was a selling point to me. I'm not always online, and even then, it's sometimes quite spotty, to say the least. It's not a matter of having the found to finance a proper net connection, but a real issue with DSL deployment where I live.
I really wish that someone at Frontier will realize that everyone here doesn't necessarily have a net connection reliable enough for even periodic server sync, or at least allow for offline play even if no server sync has been done since a few days.
I plainly understand the rhetoric of quest writing quality and universe coherence that allow a centralized model, but i'd like to remind everyone that the original Elite series didn't have a central server, and it didn't prevent us from really enjoying the game.
If Frontier can't do without some kind of server sync, at least please make it optional, allowing us to not being locked out of the game we financed just because we're out of proper internet availability.
I really wish that someone at Frontier will realize that everyone here doesn't necessarily have a net connection reliable enough for even periodic server sync, or at least allow for offline play even if no server sync has been done since a few days.
I plainly understand the rhetoric of quest writing quality and universe coherence that allow a centralized model, but i'd like to remind everyone that the original Elite series didn't have a central server, and it didn't prevent us from really enjoying the game.
If Frontier can't do without some kind of server sync, at least please make it optional, allowing us to not being locked out of the game we financed just because we're out of proper internet availability.
The first purchase applies to books and to software but not to services (AFAIK). As most software is not sold now but licenced as a service (which is particularly true of online games) the FP doctrine wouldn't apply as you are purchasing a licence to use a service (the FD servers to power your game) rather than a product.
Yes. I know exactly what I said.
If not delivering a feature that was always promised (not because of technical necessity but because of a design decision) is not something that requires an apology, what does?
If that is not a reason for an apology, nothing is.
yeah to hell with laws, fairness, integrity and all that .. more punishment to those snivelling offliners ..
do you work in politics by any chance?
And now I regret every minute of it since it was time wasted.
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Well actually it was not mid-game but more at the very last minute of it. Gamma and premiere event on the 22th. This newsletter was basically their last change to bring the bad news. If done in the upcoming newsletter 1 day before Gamma wel.... I´ve read the newsletter and all of the damage control being done my Michael Brookes yesterday. It paints the picture that they knew long before the last newsletter it was getting cancelled/axed. In the forums by commanders very often the offline mode was mentioned, yet never they were corrected by FD. I also thought FD was a different company, lesson learned. Given all the commotion this decision has caused it would (imho) be better if OBEDB himself would have commented on it, not only Michael Brookes. I respect his patience and loyalty. He´s the poor guy everybody is hitting on.
An official statement by David about the offline mode and its future would have imho been much better. Instead in the newsletter the cancellation was mentioned in a very spinned way (PR style). A simple apology and a clear explanation such as why it could not been communicated earlier would have been much better. I still love ED but my respect for FD and DB has lessened now.
I know it will not mean anything to FD. I bought two T-shirts, wanted to buy the remaining two, the keyhanger (the store doesn´t have more stuff sadly) and an (extra boxed) version (when available) just for the fun and to help FD a bit. This personal (support) plan of mine has just been cancelled/axed.
I´ve tried VERY VERY hard to word it as friendly and politely as possible (what I really feel does NOT help this thread) and hope I haven´t offended anyone.
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Believe me, i am very much looking forward to quoting your post on dec. 16th, telling you you were right, i really do.
Sorry, I not sure how that punishes anybody? If they paid for beta access (and used it) why should they get that back just because they decided to not get the final game? The cost of the final game is (right now £40) so it's fair they should get that back.
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If I order a 3 course meal, eat the first two courses but decide that they don't have the one desert that I could eat (the others having dairy). Should I get the whole meal refunded or just the cost of the desert?
At the time of the assertions by FD I stood up for the offline people - FD gave back assurances / promises / changed the KS FAQ / Mentioned it in the Reddit AMA / Magazines have quoted DB as saying an offline version would be available - and now it's not.
"Ask for a refund" was the attitude .. so I have. On the assumption that I am not banned I will let you know the outcome - original KS backer & namer of the Founder System.
Angry, upset & disillusioned by FD .. and things were going so well last week
to extend your metaphor ..
if all 3 meals were part of a package, at a set price for the package, most restaurants would offer a full refund to keep the customer happy.
ask yourself, how often have you heard the term 'partial refund' ?
now ask yourself how often youve heard the term 'full refund' or 'refunded in full' ?
Frontier need to get ahead of this story. You only have to look at what happened with X Rebirth. The company responded to the mass and deep unhappiness with a belligerent arrogance that was like a match to gasoline. The later belated and begrudging apologies were way too little and way too late. By that time XR and the company were critically dead and buried beneath a landslide of anger as fans who in this case very rightly felt they had been lied to and cheated fanned out across the net.
Apologise, provide full refunds to the comparative few who will want it and move on.
Apologise, provide full refunds to the comparative few who will want it and move on.
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