To be fair, that's a theory that works for Starfield. Another game that will be fully released before SC gets into beta.
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Viajero
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Indeed, building a galaxy at 1:1 scale is not an easy feat, and no one would blame SF, or NMS for exemple, for not having it ( they also never claimed to be the BDSSE or the leader in fidelity among space sims). But that is not really the issue here. The claim made was that CIG could do a galaxy like Elite “if they wanted it”. 12+ year evidence suggests actually the contrary.
There certainly does seem to be a good precedent for finding a lane you want to be in, sticking to it and actually getting something done.
Last I heard was it wouldnt even have lava. The engine cant handle it, CIG cant handle itm So it's gonna be never dunne before arid planet with sparse vegetation - or even none.
Yes, and I can buy all my groceries in pennies... I guess that means an Idris costs mere pennies!
(blame the late liker for this delayed reply, lol)
No, CIG has not claimed fidelity but immersion. And rule of cool after all.
Oh cute, you're back on this.
The reason ED's players have to be seated is because there's a functioning networking system. Players can't move freeform during the handover between instances. As with nigh every online game.
As we all agree, SC will need a comparable system if it wants to scale to 100+ systems. At which point...
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Somewhere out there is a video compilation of Genuine Roberts and other CI-G related people waving hands and waffling “fidelity”.
It’s old now, from the Sandwurmie era, and I am far too lazy to go find it for you - but it exists.
Star Citizen, as a released product, does not.
It’s old now, from the Sandwurmie era, and I am far too lazy to go find it for you - but it exists.
Star Citizen, as a released product, does not.
ED should have ship interiors, it was absolutely the most fundamental and important immersive mechanic in ALL previous Elite games and can't be considered a true Elite game until the ability to open and close a toilet and jump around cargo space is FULLY delivered as was promised in Braben-tallks-to-the-community video #15 during ED's Kickstarter phase in which Braben EXPLICITLY promised, through communication of his eyebrow code, that all things would be delivered as all entitled ones should expect. Also I saw a poll on YouTube that said it was the most important thing in space games over all else. Why would anyone in 2023 make a space game and not put a MASSIVE team together to make it a non functional "look at the toliet and look at the thing" FPS map lolz?
As we all know, Wing Commander games also featured ship interiors and mostly involved waking up in bed and waiting for trains. So its awesome that Chris has left all the "living breathing galaxy" MMO nonsense as an afterthought and the team continue to struggle to make sure those are what people buy in the store.
As we all know, Wing Commander games also featured ship interiors and mostly involved waking up in bed and waiting for trains. So its awesome that Chris has left all the "living breathing galaxy" MMO nonsense as an afterthought and the team continue to struggle to make sure those are what people buy in the store.
For sure, you can't move between instance in ED. But you can't move also in a moveable object in ED, because Ed have no nested grid. That's why you teleport to your seat in your ship and can't walk in it.
No. SC has the streaming assets tech and can let you move in moveable objects. They can assign specific and quick to load small instances to Jump Points and use them has loading space for assets of the next system while moving and playing mini games in it. There is absolutely no need to glue you to your seat during JP.
Viajero
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No that's just the strange babble you came up with previously, even though it didn't make any sense then either. Why do the players suddenly have to sit down for the networking transition then, and at no other time?
And why would SC be exempt from this norm if/when they finally get two servers to talk to eachother?
Viajero
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That is also incorrect. Players move every day in other moveable objects. ED has tons of nested grids. Except that in the case of ED, they work. For example, planets actually orbit and move around within a star system. And players walking on the surface of a planet or flying above it are doing so on a moveable object and subject to their grid, a grid that itself moves around in the star system. In the case of multiple satellites we can be talking 3, 4 or even more grids nested into each other, and then you can be in a station orbiting the last one, moving inside it. Each one with its own gravitational, coordinates and physics grids. And players transition constantly from one to another without exploding their own ship for no good reason like in SC.
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You forgot to highlight scale there old chum. As we know CIG's puniverse is only 1/6 real size. One day it might be a real boy.
That's hilarious if true. It was touted as having at least one planet of lava as i recall from the concept art.
No nested grid. When you fly to a planet, you change grid during the approach. The ground of the planet is not a nested grid of the system' grid.
I have theorized how it can be handled in ED. You have the interiors of the ship as a separate space (map) from the exterior. The cockpit is simply a viewport into the other map where the ship itself is. It does mean entering and exiting the ship has to be a fade to black or cut-scene style animation, but otherwise it would be functionally the same as SC and a lot easier to implement (i suspect anyway).
Viajero
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This is incorrect. When you are in a planet you move around on its grid. You are subject to the planet coordinates, gravity and physics. But the planet itself is not fixed, it is also moving around in the system and therefore subject to the star system grid of coordinates. The player moves with it even if you stand still on top of a rock. That is a basic example of just 2 grids nested into each other. But in Elite you can have 3, 4, 5 or even more nested into each other
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How do you think ED then produces correct sky on planets? You know sun(s) rising and setting, planets and moons rising and setting, and so on.