Update 15, the Upcoming Feature Rework and More

[Darth Ender]

I find it interesting that there's an update that Frontier have said is one of the biggest ever coming to the game due this month, further delays notwithstanding, and the entire focus of the thread is on the 'feature rework' delay. Not getting at you specifically, and I apologize if it comes across that way. I agree with your point about the 'post covid norm' aspect, among other current goings on. It's been challenging everywhere with supply chain issues etc., but how your post completely overlooked Update 15, quite likely unintentionally, made me think of this.

the op said biggest moment in the game. that reads like a judgment on the importance of the event in the narrative and a possible significant divergence in outcomes depending on player actions compared to how fdev usually does community events (outcomes are basically preordained or inconsequential)

as opposed to the biggest update development-wise... which would imply some huge change or addition.

 

[metatheurgist]

"among the biggest moments", not The Biggest moment. I suspect we will finally see the Titan Emerge from the Maelstroms.

For added shock it will be the Panther Clipper and no players will be able to get it.

 

[zimms]

I find it interesting that there's an update that Frontier have said is one of the biggest ever coming to the game due this month, further delays notwithstanding, and the entire focus of the thread is on the 'feature rework' delay. Not getting at you specifically, and I apologize if it comes across that way. I agree with your point about the 'post covid norm' aspect, among other current goings on. It's been challenging everywhere with supply chain issues etc., but how your post completely overlooked Update 15, quite likely unintentionally, made me think of this.

"Among the biggest moments" is not the same as "biggest update". And it's not due this month.

 

[Fizzatron]

"Among the biggest moments" is not the same as "biggest update". And it's not due this month.

Sorry, yes, that's what I meant. It was late last night so wrong on both counts, actually more ambiguous on the first one as I wasn't specific either way. But May it is for sure. However, I will reiterate that I do believe that there are parts of the Odyssey update that we have yet to see, so my point is still somewhat there underneath my innacurate post.. I will edit to reflect.

 

[Fizzatron]

the op said biggest moment in the game. that reads like a judgment on the importance of the event in the narrative and a possible significant divergence in outcomes depending on player actions compared to how fdev usually does community events (outcomes are basically preordained or inconsequential)

as opposed to the biggest update development-wise... which would imply some huge change or addition.

I didn't really specify either way so ask me to clarify rather than jumping to the conclusion that that's what I meant. But I will concede that I should have been clearer in the first place. However, as I replied and said before, new things have come to the game with narrative updates so it's not out of the question either, and we are still in the Odyssey season so it would be a part of the ongoing update that is Odyssey if so.

And all of this is completely secondary to my main point that there is a pretty big (whatever type) of update coming in May but the focus is completely shifted to the rework and negativity about that instead. Kinda like what's happened with my reply in a way..

 

[Fizzatron]

That one sentence completely describes my view of the Odyssey release. Here's your space legs, good luck....

That's not what happened. You wanted x but got y, now you are the Veruca Salt of the community. There were plenty of people who were looking forward to getting Space Legs, not least of all me, the whole 'no-one wanted space-legs' is an utterly false narrative spun by the Veruca Salts who didn't get what they wanted with Odyssey.

The irony lost on them though, is that those who wanted Space Legs, and I will specifically speak for myself, though I imagine there are many others who would agree, also wanted atmospheric planets, gas giants etc.. and all the other things that Odyssey didn't bring to Elite. But depending on the success of Odyssey, the likelihood of Frontier earning enough to develop those things that were yet to come to Elite have been put in jeopardy by all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth. Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot.

 

[Fizzatron]

That story at the start of the article just rings so true for so many posters on this forum. They buy ED. Then they come in and demand long list of changes that basically make ED a different game. Just fly another airline.

That goes both ways though, doesn't it? As it all depends on who thinks what Elite should be. If it is to be decided that it is Frontier who decides what Elite is to be, then those who have cried about space-legs coming to it would the ones in wrong, no?

Of course, that's a simplified equation that really doesn't work in the case of Elite. Being that Elite is a continually developed game with a section of the forum dedicated to suggestions there is room for all voices to be heard, but maybe the problem is that with the non-infinite resources at hand, Frontier have to be selective about what they implement, and when, and there is where the trouble can start.

I mean, I totally understand that there are those who have very strong anti-spacelegs sentiments, or this or that. But Elite isn't just about one person's view of what it should be, or even a like-minded group that has enough members to make themselves feel like they have weight in the game. Frontier can't implement everything at once and to think they can is an unreasonable expectation, even more so at this point in time. So as long as feature x, y & z is in the plan, then those who hate seeing x in the game are going to have to hold out until it does, until y and z come along. I don't think that's unreasonable, though it is completely unreasonable to try to tank the game so that no-one gets to play because one didn't get their feature this time around.

 

[amigacooke]

That goes both ways though, doesn't it? As it all depends on who thinks what Elite should be. If it is to be decided that it is Frontier who decides what Elite is to be, then those who have cried about space-legs coming to it would the ones in wrong, no?

Of course, that's a simplified equation that really doesn't work in the case of Elite. Being that Elite is a continually developed game with a section of the forum dedicated to suggestions there is room for all voices to be heard, but maybe the problem is that with the non-infinite resources at hand, Frontier have to be selective about what they implement, and when, and there is where the trouble can start.

I mean, I totally understand that there are those who have very strong anti-spacelegs sentiments, or this or that. But Elite isn't just about one person's view of what it should be, or even a like-minded group that has enough members to make themselves feel like they have weight in the game. Frontier can't implement everything at once and to think they can is an unreasonable expectation, even more so at this point in time. So as long as feature x, y & z is in the plan, then those who hate seeing x in the game are going to have to hold out until it does, until y and z come along. I don't think that's unreasonable, though it is completely unreasonable to try to tank the game so that no-one gets to play because one didn't get their feature this time around.

I think those who have waited a decade for ship interiors and atmospheric planets (Frontier suggestions of course) have been reasonably patient.

 

[MUTILADOR]

extremely very reasonably patient.

 

[Jack Winter]

Those waiting for SC are having to be even more patient!

 

[Fixitman]

That's not what happened. You wanted x but got y, now you are the Veruca Salt of the community. There were plenty of people who were looking forward to getting Space Legs, not least of all me, the whole 'no-one wanted space-legs' is an utterly false narrative spun by the Veruca Salts who didn't get what they wanted with Odyssey.

The irony lost on them though, is that those who wanted Space Legs, and I will specifically speak for myself, though I imagine there are many others who would agree, also wanted atmospheric planets, gas giants etc.. and all the other things that Odyssey didn't bring to Elite. But depending on the success of Odyssey, the likelihood of Frontier earning enough to develop those things that were yet to come to Elite have been put in jeopardy by all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth. Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot.

I didn't mean to imply that few people wanted space legs. I was looking forward to odyssey as well. I even built a new PC just so I could play it.

I was merely referencing how FDev apparently rushed to give us space legs, and screwed it up in the process.

 

[amigacooke]

Those waiting for SC are having to be even more patient!

That may well be true, but it has no bearing on ED.

 

[Ultra-Chris]

But depending on the success of Odyssey, the likelihood of Frontier earning enough to develop those things that were yet to come to Elite have been put in jeopardy by all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth. Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot.

That's not how it works. You bring out a quality product, then use the proceeds from that to develop further.

Odyssey has gone from a complete and total disaster to the dizzying heights of lackluster, the "wailing and gnashing of teeth" in that regard is justified. Afterall, FDEV obliterated our feet and their own with a Karma L-6 on release day.

 

[Fizzatron]

That's not how it works.

Oh, really...

You bring out a quality product, then use the proceeds from that to develop further.

Then explain CIG.

Odyssey has gone from a complete and total disaster to the dizzying heights of lackluster, the "wailing and gnashing of teeth" in that regard is justified. Afterall, FDEV obliterated our feet and their own with a Karma L-6 on release day.

Thanks for that astute observation that is surely based on 'how it works'. lol.

 

[metatheurgist]

That goes both ways though, doesn't it? As it all depends on who thinks what Elite should be. If it is to be decided that it is Frontier who decides what Elite is to be, then those who have cried about space-legs coming to it would the ones in wrong, no?

Yes, they were wrong because legs were in the KS plan right from the beginning, same as planet landings. Expansion 1, expansion 2, can't be more clear than that.

 

[Fizzatron]

I didn't mean to imply that few people wanted space legs. I was looking forward to odyssey as well. I even built a new PC just so I could play it.

Maybe not you specifically, but it has been said numerous times. And fair enough, if you were one who was looking forward to it, then my point wasn't intended for you. It read that way to me.

I was merely referencing how FDev apparently rushed to give us space legs, and screwed it up in the process.

I don't know the other aspects to it, and I'm sure there are there too, but it really shouldn't be forgotten or allowed to be overlooked that the Odyssey crunch was during the height of covid. I would say that had a large part to play. Again, that's not necessarily excusing it, the conditions upon which decisions were made to not delay Odyssey further, and why, remain unknown though Frontier report to the markets and there may have been some pressure there that forced them into it. However, that's pure speculation.

My whole point is that for someone who wants the best for Elite, and for that I have to assume that it continues to be a success with more large scale DLCs like Horizons & Odyssey, what constructive gain is there to be had from ignoring a reasonably large update that's coming next month to focus on some future delayed update? I mean, Odyssey is rushed, so that was bad and Frontier should have delayed it, but now that Frontier have delayed the future update, that's not preferably now to it being rushed to release in what might have been a similar manner? Is there a win condition for Frontier?

 

[Old Duck]

But depending on the success of Odyssey, the likelihood of Frontier earning enough to develop those things that were yet to come to Elite have been put in jeopardy by all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth. Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot.

Nah, I'm shooting your foot perhaps, but not mine.

That's not how it works. You bring out a quality product, then use the proceeds from that to develop further.

Exactly! This is why I'll very likely be buying the upcoming DLC to Space Engineers and X4 Foundations, and also why I haven't touched Odyssey even during an aggressive sale.

 

[wrmiller]

Nah, I'm shooting your foot perhaps, but not mine.


Exactly! This is why I'll very likely be buying the upcoming DLC to Space Engineers and X4 Foundations, and also why I haven't touched Odyssey even during an aggressive sale.

Smart man.

I bought Oddity, only to play it just like I do Horizons, so it was a waste of money for me.

Disclaimer: I did get up and leave my ship once or twice while at space port just to experience the novelty of walking around the station and checking things out. It was a big nothing for me. What is interesting though is that I have no problem jumping out of my chair in X4 and letting the pilot take over (as he/she is yelling at navigation...). Weird eh?

I'm looking forward to X4's new release, but I'd be very cautious about buying anything else from FD until fully researched. My tastes for a space game seem to differ significantly from those of the folks at FD.

 

[Fizzatron]

Nah, I'm shooting your foot perhaps, but not mine.

Of course Old Duck, the analogy naturally only works referring to those who would otherwise consider themselves supporters of Elite, which you just confirmed doesn't include you.

Exactly! This is why I'll very likely be buying the upcoming DLC to Space Engineers and X4 Foundations, and also why I haven't touched Odyssey even during an aggressive sale.

Good luck to you mate. Let me know when Space Engineers has proper liquids and I might take another look.

 

[Old Duck]

Of course Old Duck, the analogy naturally only works referring to those who would otherwise consider themselves supporters of Elite, which you just confirmed doesn't include you.

I used to be a supporter like you, until I took a proverbial arrow (pick one, Frontier has fired dozens) to the knee.

Let me know when Space Engineers has proper liquids and I might take another look.

Amen to that!