No Single Player offline Mode then?

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Zulu Romeo

Zulu Romeo
Nomadski said:
Im not sure that works while in combat either - there is a small window where your ship remains 'visible' to others while engaged.
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From what I've seen of other players exiting due to server issues, during that small window you don't seem to be able to inflict damage on the exiting player - they persist, then they disappear.
 

Vasious

Vasious
tagos said:
A clever company would throw up their hands and apologise for not being explicitly clear months ago. They would then offer a substantial recompense in the form of electronic goodies combined with .
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I am sorry but I always get a bad feeling when people start suggesting "give me goodies and this furore will go away"
Especially when the people who are most greatly affected, unable to use the software due to a lack of persistent internet, would get no benefit from the "Goodies"
 

Cmdr Eagleboy

Cmdr Eagleboy
Aldric said:
Oh do stop :rolleyes: quit the dramatics, you know this is a beta forum, the press shouldnt be able to post in here, if the press want to stick their noses in let it be through official channels. If you want to go talk to them do so, but not in this PRIVATE beta forum.

You go tell them all your woes why dont you, no one is stopping you.
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Beta forum is public btw. Also I think that post should come as separate thread. Why journalists shouldn't be able to do their jobs? Better now than later during Premiere or launch.
 

Binerexis

Binerexis
tagos said:
Dodgy companies hide things to the last minute and then act like jerks when called on things. Morally and in most european systems legally, people are now entitled to a refund and should get it. No hoops, no questions, no pointing to legally meaningless terms and conditions. Just a refund.

Handled properly in the first place I bet very few people would want a refund but it hasn't been handled properly. It's been handled very badly and is continuing to be handled badly.

A clever company would throw up their hands and apologise for not being explicitly clear months ago. They would then offer a substantial recompense in the form of electronic goodies combined with cast-iron guarantees that the servers will either always be available or an offline patch will be produced prior to shut-down. A clever company would have all this in place when making the announcement and the announcement would have been genuine and detailed - not a few market-speak nonsense handwaving sentences. Then it would be seen as a good company going above and beyond in a regrettable situation.

A sleazy company will carp and prevaricate about full no-questions refunds. It would behave like STEAM.
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How are they acting like jerks? How is it being handled badly? Where did they say that there would be an absolute guarantee of an offline mode on the kickstarter page when pledges were open? Why do you think it's necessary for a company to announce their intention of changing a feature the second they start looking at the pros and cons of it internally rather than dealing with the problem and making an announcement after trying to deal with the issue?
 

SuBSynk

SuBSynk
Ydiss said:
There are a few comments about the "white knights" - which is just a pretty way of saying "fan boys" - who will defend the developers no matter what.

It's not that simple. Those of us attempting to counter various statements are doing so because we've read, understood and believe the posts from Mike. Given what he has said, the only way FD can provide an offline mode will directly and negatively impact the game we are looking forward to playing. Creating two games would double the development time, merging offline into the existing game would force the online aspect to be spoiled.

I want neither.

The rest of the debate is generated by posters challenging the integrity or validity of what Mike has said. We're worried for the games image because we want it to do well so, naturally, we want to provide a counter argument to present both sides.

But these arguments have now become a parody of themselves and no one is coming up with anything new or that hasn't already been said dozens of times, hundreds of pages ago.

It's turned into a verbal merry go round. It either will influence FD to compromise their vision for the online aspect or it won't. I do not want that. Thankfully, I have the advantage of not needing to worry about that because it's not going to happen.

But those who agree with that are not going to stop replying. It's just that it's got to the point of a farce. I have no idea why the thread's still open. But in the interests of feedback, I guess it so remain so.

If only the thread was predominantly feedback. I've not read a new take from anyone for well over 200 pages.
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^^^ This!

Rep in bound and well said.
 

Wyzak

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Memnoch said:
There must be plenty of tools out there that would enable you to block browser access to the Internet but still allow ED to run unfettered.
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Yes there is, but this wasn't necessary on the game that we backed. Now we need to go and spend our time that we would have been spending in game to try and debug an issue that was created by FD.
 

Erna Jedermann

Erna Jedermann
Vasious said:
Comes down to a debate on what is really multiplayer.
You don't interact with any other players.
Your universe gets updates from a server acting as GM that uses the same Galaxy for all the players but each is in their own bubble that will never interact.
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We was so close to accept each other opinion...and no again this hate.
Ok....consider this..... an User with 3 Accounts..plays with 2 Bots in a group..... you even don't will see it...I don't want a competetion like this...and if you say it is imposible...believe me it is....if you say expensiv hobby...how many has especially buy an Hotas for ED ?
And also don't fotget the Goldfarmer.....you only will see their result but never will catch them ....
 

tagos

tagos
Vasious said:
I am sorry but I always get a bad feeling when people start suggesting "give me goodies and this furore will go away"
Especially when the people who are most greatly affected, unable to use the software due to a lack of persistent internet, would get no benefit from the "Goodies"
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Then they get the refund as stated and Frontier get to show they aren't sleaze-bags. It's basic 'sweetening the pill' stuff. it's how you handle doling out unpalatable news if you're smart. You make a big show of being sorry, you visibly and pro-actively take the lead in making amends and you get generous with the non-tangibles.

This isn't rocket surgery, except apparently to whatever star Citizen employee is running the FD PR operation, it's how you do this sort of stuff properly.
 

Wyzak

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Voivod said:
I'm surprised by the variety in reasons people bring up for what an utter disaster the no offline mode is for them. :)

You could deny internet access to your daughters PC for everything apart from Elite.
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And she'd still be exposed to in-game abuse.
 

Rainchild

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SuBSynk said:
Nope sorry you obviously have not read the thread through, stats were given out by mods on this topic and its proven to be approx 100 complainers making the thread so long due to posting up to 150+ times.
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Says the guy with at least 50 posts in the "for-online" camp. Plus, you'll be hating on FD on launch day when you can't connect to servers. As happens with all online-only game launches. Ever.
 

Nomadski

Nomadski
Aldric said:
Oh do stop :rolleyes: quit the dramatics, you know this is a beta forum, the press shouldnt be able to post in here, if the press want to stick their noses in let it be through official channels. If you want to go talk to them do so, but not in this PRIVATE beta forum.

You go tell them all your woes why dont you, no one is stopping you.
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For the second time, it is not a private forum, it is as public as any other public forum.

And kindly refrain from telling me what to do, your as bad as the rest of the thought police in here.
 

Myspace Kaitsu80

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I never planned going offline, because of static galaxy, though would have been in future to take high tech laptop into vacation to play ED if it rains...

I feel bad for those who really would have needed offline mode, but lets face it, USA (and so) soldiers abroads would all now need to back into ED to get FD maybe change their minds, because what is better for the game just goes ahead of minority wish.
 

Angus

Angus
cherbert said:
Its this for me. I feel like I pledged a heck of a lot of money for a game I will never own. I wish Frontier would get this - I think this is why so many original backers backed the game and why they said Offline Mode was so important to their decision.
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Yes, its like a fundamental gap in perspective. Frontier on the one hand and those of us who want to own the game on the other - You create something of beauty, say a computer game, and lavish love on it and nurture it, but come release date you hand it over to its new parents..... unless you change your mind, and say, "No, that isn't the thing we want to create any more, we're keeping the baby, but you can lease it from us." :(
 

stimutacs

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Rainchild said:
Says the guy with at least 50 posts in the "for-online" camp. Plus, you'll be hating on FD on launch day when you can't connect to servers. As happens with all online-only game launches. Ever.
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Oh to still be around at the next feature drop or prolonged server outage, with literally thousands of posts to quote back to the butthurt.
 
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