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Well, despite a Sunday evening with some good sociable UT (& a bit of fairly frisky QC) elsewhere, i'm up early and procrastinating on other work - so i thought i'd get some exobio done... really shouldn't be allowed out of the house before 12pm - the evidence, article A: my parking :p

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aRJay

aRJay
CMDR TIMBERMCWOLF said:
I've heard a few things about EliteObservatory that sound favorable. Thus I would like to ask for a link.
Even if I won't be able to use the tool right now, it is still good to have it at hand.
I will keep it in my collection of tools for the time I return to having a desktop PC again.


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Here is a link to the thread about it in the sub forum about tools etc.

Release - Elite Observatory - Search your journal for potentially interesting objects, or notify you of new ones on the fly while exploring!

What even is this? Elite Observatory is a tool which can read and monitor your Elite Dangerous journal for objects which might be "interesting" so you can go take a closer look. What is "interesting?" A lot of things, potentially. Currently the built-in checks include: Landable and...
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CMDR TIMBERMCWOLF said:
Well, this morning, I returned to my trip to Synuefe TP-F B44-0. First sytem on my route only had a single star. It was here that I realized that Galroute doesn't expect you to top off at every opportunity, as my next jump didn't happen because it exeeded the allowed fuel limit per jump. After replotting the route, I jumped to the next system, honked, FSSed and found some bios, three planets with 1, and one with 2, which I decided to check on.
This is how the "heatmap" after DSSing looked like. Switching between the bios* didn't do anything.
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But the DSS revealed that there was some Stratum and some Bacterium down there, So I landed.
I jumped into my trusty Scarab and started to roam around. At first, the scanner was eerily silent, the only signal being my ship.
But I went on and after some (quite slow) driving, some of these ghostly blips (as seen in the pink frame in the picture below) appeared and I decided to follow them. But before I took off, I swiftly checked the Codex for what I'm looking for. Believe it or not, but following those blips actually led me to my first stratum:
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And it worked as well for the other two sample locations I needed:
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Having the comp scanner ready helped sometimes, but not that reliably, I guess the movement of the SRV makes it sometimes difficult to properly indicate them...
This reminds me, I totally forgot to scan these with said scanner. But as I am still at the location of the last sample, this should be doable next time I log in.



*: On the XBox 360 pad, this is done with [LB] and [RB]
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Bio sampling them also collects the Codex information that the Composition scanner provides.

Congratulations Stratum Tectonicas is IIRC the highest paying thing you can find at just under 20 million for a complete sample and if you were the first to find it on that planet a bonus of 4 times the amount in addition.
 

CMDR Timber McWolf

CMDR Timber McWolf
Helmut Grokenberger said:
It has nothing to do with you topping up on every opportunity; this has been a long standing bug that the recalculation of your route when you log back in results in a first jump that exceeds fuel usage. It has been discussed at length here.
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Interestingly, it was the second jump.
]M[ said:
This can also occur if you started out with less than a full tank, plotted a route and then scooped fuel til the tank was sufficiently full to exceed mass for a jump...
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That could be the culprit as my tanks were not entirely full because of flying to that planet I spent the night on...
Helmut Grokenberger said:
No, it doesn't. I tested and disproved that in the thread I linked. The route plotter always uses your full tank jump range as basis for route calculation.
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Interesting... Almost feels like the good old YMMV...
 

Helmut Grokenberger

Helmut Grokenberger
CMDR TIMBERMCWOLF said:
Interestingly, it was the second jump.
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I have had it happen on the second jump, too, but more often than not it is the first jump that is calculated wrong.

CMDR TIMBERMCWOLF said:
That could be the culprit as my tanks were not entirely full because of flying to that planet I spent the night on...

Interesting... Almost feels like the good old YMMV...
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In this case, it is not the good old YMMV. Test it yourself - turn off your scoop, drain your tank, plot a route, fill up. Of course this needs to be done in an area where the stars are dense enough so the route plotter could actually make use of a 3 ly jump range difference. The route plotter never, ever takes fuel tank level into account (but it does account for additional fuel tanks and assume a ship mass and jump range with all tanks full). But when you log off and back on again with a plotted route, it will fail the calculation first or second jump regularly.
 

]M[

]M[
Helmut Grokenberger said:
I have had it happen on the second jump, too, but more often than not it is the first jump that is calculated wrong.
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I've had it several times just the last week or so of exploration, as before - not the first jump from carrier, but a few to several jumps along my journey, after i've replotted / scooped a few times...

Helmut Grokenberger said:
In this case, it is not the good old YMMV. Test it yourself - turn off your scoop, drain your tank, plot a route, fill up. Of course this needs to be done in an area where the stars are dense enough so the route plotter could actually make use of a 3 ly jump range difference. The route plotter never, ever takes fuel tank level into account. But when you log off and back on again with a plotted route, it will fail the calculation first or second jump regularly.
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I've noticed the failed calculation on relog - could also be a bug somewhere in there....?
 

aRJay

aRJay
Helmut Grokenberger said:
I have had it happen on the second jump, too, but more often than not it is the first jump that is calculated wrong.


In this case, it is not the good old YMMV. Test it yourself - turn off your scoop, drain your tank, plot a route, fill up. Of course this needs to be done in an area where the stars are dense enough so the route plotter could actually make use of a 3 ly jump range difference. The route plotter never, ever takes fuel tank level into account (but it does account for additional fuel tanks and assume a ship mass and jump range with all tanks full). But when you log off and back on again with a plotted route, it will fail the calculation first or second jump regularly.
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But it does take the mass of the ship and contents into account and adding fuel after calculating the route should be just as problematic as adding cargo after calculating the route. Which certainly used to be a problem back when I started it is of course possible that things have been changed since then.
 

Helmut Grokenberger

Helmut Grokenberger
aRJay said:
But it does take the mass of the ship and contents into account and adding fuel after calculating the route should be just as problematic as adding cargo after calculating the route. Which certainly used to be a problem back when I started it is of course possible that things have been changed since then.
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Yes. Changing your cargo screws with your calculated route, and you need to redo that calculation. Fueling up does not.

Edit: Wasn't there a cargo mass slider in the old galmap interface of 3.8 that you could use to calculate the route including the cargo you were planning to ferry? Or did I make that up?
 

CMDR Timber McWolf

CMDR Timber McWolf
aRJay said:
Here is a link to the thread about it in the sub forum about tools etc.
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Great. Cheers!
aRJay said:
Bio sampling them also collects the Codex information that the Composition scanner provides.
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So I won't have to bother about that as long as I have the sampling tool.
By the way, what exactly happens if you press the left trigger (normal activation is on the right trigger for my pad)? It seems to be some secondary action, but my accidental activation didn't do much besides turning parts of the plant(?) blue...
aRJay said:
Congratulations Stratum Tectonicas is IIRC the highest paying thing you can find at just under 20 million for a complete sample and if you were the first to find it on that planet a bonus of 4 times the amount in addition.
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Thanks.
Yay! It wasn't a first, but still... That's a lot of money for someone who until now had to cope with mission rewards between 10k and 1.5 million credits...
 

CMDR Timber McWolf

CMDR Timber McWolf
]M[ said:
I've noticed the failed calculation on relog - could also be a bug somewhere in there....?
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I sure hope it isn't a thargoid hacker...
Helmut Grokenberger said:
Edit: Wasn't there a cargo mass slider in the old galmap interface of 3.8 that you could use to calculate the route including the cargo you were planning to ferry? Or did I make that up?
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It still is, in the route settings (the cogwheel on the bottom of the left symbol column. It standardly doesn't sit at max, if I remeber correctly.
 

0threeleven

0threeleven
Helmut Grokenberger said:
There is definitely a bug somewhere in the route plotter. This "excess fuel usage error" (meaning, really, that you don't have enough jump range for the calculated jump) only happens when you resume a route between sessions, it never does on a freshly calculated route.
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Well, this is disconcerting, I always thought it was full tank vs almost empty fuel tank too. So why the two jump ranges then? When your at an outfitting space station, it shows a jump range between two points, I also thought this was ship mass (amount of fuel being carried, cargo, ect.).
 

Helmut Grokenberger

Helmut Grokenberger
0threeleven said:
Well, this is disconcerting, I always thought it was full tank vs almost empty fuel tank too. So why the two jump ranges then? When your at an outfitting space station, it shows a jump range between two points, I also thought this was ship mass (amount of fuel being carried, cargo, ect.).
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I don't know why the game shows us the unladen fuel tank empty jump range. Is is a remnant of the olden times, where the route plotter was crap and manual route finding was more common?

Edit: The only time the actual jump range including the fill level of the fuel tank matters to me is when I do neutron jumping. If I am not jumping from neutron star to neutron star, I plot a route towards the next one and then use the figure the right hand panel gives me to manually select my first jump target after boosting. I never use the neutron jump feature of the galmap plotter.
 
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