They promised a game pass?First time for everything !!
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For 3.18 PTU a huge amount of people paid a $10 sub to get early access to it, it looks like they are rejiging it so that more people have to sub to gain early access. Previously i think any Concierge level would have been in Wave 1.
Monetising pre-release testing does not sit well with me, not at all.
My reply was focussed on CIG actually keeping a promise, not the actual promise as stated by Sovapid .... Clearly I failed to articulate it suitably.
I hope it isnt going to be one of those Fridays!!
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Deleted ships, meaning not on sale at all anymore? Were those always available or were sold only spot as “limited stock”?Website store changes:
The ships deleted were previously added two weeks ago, for a ship sale linked with the Arlington Gang Mission Spotlight. GEAR UP FOR SUCCESS!
Today we get a new Mission Spotlight, this time for salvaging.
New ship sale! TOOL UP FOR SUCCESS!
As in they ran out of pixels again, yep.
Those ships were only in store as part of that 'COMPLETE THIS OLD BROKEN MISSION BETTER WITH A NEW SHIP!' promotion.
Career kits, finessing CCU chains, and now Subscription for Wave 1 testing screams they're desperate for cash.
The 110M$/year burnrate divided by 45$ starter packages infers they need 2.2 million new players every year.
They have 4M752k063 Star Citizens at this point in time; accrued over a decade of marketing.
No way they can get 2.2 million new people to start playing a space game each year.
So they need to milk the existing players.
Good luck with that -- they seem miffed since 3.18!
Source your popcorn now, this is going to get good!
The 110M$/year burnrate divided by 45$ starter packages infers they need 2.2 million new players every year.
They have 4M752k063 Star Citizens at this point in time; accrued over a decade of marketing.
No way they can get 2.2 million new people to start playing a space game each year.
So they need to milk the existing players.
Good luck with that -- they seem miffed since 3.18!
Source your popcorn now, this is going to get good!
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No idea if this is true, but it sounds highly believable
Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/15nnvlf/ptu_wave_restructure_sharpening_the_tools/jvn67on/
It´s not a bait and switch, at least not anymore anyways. SC is already a released product and CIG can do as they please. It may have indeed been a bait and switch back then when SC released in Early Access in 2016, but after that release CIG owes nothing to anyone anymore. They basically start with a clean slate and can do as they please with our money. Just another perk of being released.
The time window to complain about that 2016 release is closing pretty fast though, especially if you have accepted the TOS after that, although there is still probably a case for CIG not being very straightforward with it at the time.
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No, but Chris promised to treat backers with the same respect he would treat a publisher. That is, with zero respect.
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CIG has had tons of 3rd parties working with them from day 1. Not really unusual no?
They cut back on them a lot when they grew the company and the whole Illfonic thing messed up. Outsourcing now, as they are growing but income is dropping... well, make of that what you will.
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Assuming that Chinese 3rd party rumor is true, there could be lots of ways to understand it. It could be that CIG profits are really going well and they can afford the growth, or it could mean the opposite. That profit margins are crap and labor over there is much cheaper than in LA, Manchester or Frankfurt. This second scenario would imply some layoffs in those studios though. It could also be a condition part of a new investment deal by Chinese corporations.
In other words, no idea. The only weird part would be the secrecy about it.
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We need to watch Jared's tweets - when we see him packing up house ready for a move to Shanghai we'll know it's true
Lets hope you wouldn't have to pay them to uninstall the game eventually.
Some may need to pay for deprograming but at least with the PC you could just just a sledgehammer.
The salt continues to flow....
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Bonus threads:
CIG with sketchy advertising again, talking about the Reclaimer having a tractor beam... that doesn't exist.
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And...
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Cue people saying "You can't compare them"
And...
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Cue people saying "You can't compare them"
Although top comment hits the nail on the head:
ChatJ3PT must be working overtime at the moment!
Here's a sample:
Regarding PTU Changes... Wow - Star Citizen Spectrum
Going to be 100% honest IMHO, this is complete rubbish. TLDR: PTU changes are bad /s Do you understand CIG, that the reason more and more people have gained PTU access is because it's been...
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Monthly sub fee for game access? - Star Citizen Spectrum
@Zyloh-CIG @JakeAcappella-CIG Given todays development with PTU access being gated by a subscription payment. will we see in the future the game access being locked behind the monthly sub, like say...
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Hey CIG, $1000 is actually a lot of money to spend on a game. - Star Citizen Spectrum
Honestly, I think over the years with Star Citizen, CIG has lost perspective on this.
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Regarding PTU Changes... Wow - Star Citizen Spectrum
Going to be 100% honest IMHO, this is complete rubbish. TLDR: PTU changes are bad /s Do you understand CIG, that the reason more and more people have gained PTU access is because it's been...
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Bonus threads:
CIG with sketchy advertising again, talking about the Reclaimer having a tractor beam... that doesn't exist.
In the new Ad, the Aegis Reclaimer is "defined", in part, by it's Tractor Beams. Did I miss a keybind somewhere? - Star Citizen Spectrum
"Aegis Reclaimer: Industrial-grade lasers, tractor beams, and scanners define this true multi-crew monster. Effortlessly strip ships of any size and make a fortune at the top of the Salvage game."...
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And...
If you think starfield is not affecting the expectation for Star citizen, you are wrong.(feedback) - Star Citizen Spectrum
I want you to pay attention to the big pick, that is the announcement of the release date, but!!! Right after you can see clearly that the red goes up exactly as the blue goes down.....
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Cue people saying "You can't compare them"
And...
BG3 makes CIG look bad, more than Starfield - Star Citizen Spectrum
Starfield and impact on SC speculations --> ok, valid point. But look at Larian (BG3 developers). - AAA independent, family owned studio headquartered in Belgium. - Always refused to fall into...
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Cue people saying "You can't compare them"
Although top comment hits the nail on the head:
ChatJ3PT must be working overtime at the moment!
Here's a sample:
Definitely feels like marketing exploring new routes...
(And if the funding tracker is even vaguely accurate they're def losing steam at the moment).
But those 4mil Citizens are just registered
So all they have to do is convince ~2m of us to do more than just gawp and giggle
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(DSmart was mostly salty that he didnt get that much money for his own broken promises lol).
Well to be fair they are not even the same game genre, and one is a turned based RPG the other is a 3d twitch shooter. We can still compare the competence of management in both cases, and how Larian released the GOAT RPG in 6 years with content so packed you can spend hours in each location and with unprecedented freedom of action. Oh and it's not their only release since CiG started SC and SQ42: in that time frame they also released 3 full games (also costly RPGs): Divinity Dragon Commander, Divinity Original Sin 1 & 2. So 4 full games, all of which have positive reviews, the last 2 of which are considered among the GOAT of the genre. Meanwhile CiG managed to squander a record amount of backer money and only produce a quicky patched together demo level that would not survive proper reviewing.Cue people saying "You can't compare them"
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Not even registered unique players but registered accounts. Many players, paying or not, have multiple accounts. I did.