Fall DLC 2023 Speculation

Marvinb

Marvinb
CharlieXGaming said:
Alright I’m gonna change the topic cause I have absolutely nothing to add to the current one going on 😅.

What do you feel is the most and least complete continent we have? How many animals you guys think it would take to make the one you choose as the least, complete again?
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Antarctica :D Pretty much just needs a penguin to be complete.

Other than that there are still a couple missing bits to add for each continent, some are lacking more than others
AlexSea said:
Most complete: Might be an unpopular opinion, but Europe. Aside from maybe the Wild Boar (and I personally think we could do without it regardless), there's no glaring holes in the roster at all.
Least complete
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You mean besides the lack of both large carnivores, the largest land mammal, any semi aquatic animal, and any bird?
 

AndyZoos

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CharlieXGaming said:
What do you feel is the most and least complete continent we have? How many animals you guys think it would take to make the one you choose as the least, complete again?
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Most complete: Africa. "Complete" is a super relative term because I can easily think of 4-6 animals off the top of my head that we're missing/that I'd really like to see in-game. But it's definitely the continent with the most versatility in-game as far as animal types, different environments/biomes, etc. You could create two very proper African sections in two different zoos without repeating any animals. Without repeating iconic animals! I'm struggling to think of another continent you can do that with... Asia comes close, but not quite.

Least complete: South America. There's a few very iconic species missing along with some "less iconic but still very much fan-favorite" species and that's not even getting to the birds. The picture isn't quite as bleak as people make it out to be, but it's honestly not that far off from that either.

North America and Europe get by for me mostly because you can easily use certain animals as stand-ins. Not ideal but better than nothing! And using the lynx to represent a bobcat is something I can get behind... Whereas I will not use capuchin monkeys to represent 3-4 other species of monkeys in the same zoo. LOL. There's still holes but similar to South America it's not quite as glaring when you factor in stand-ins.
 

SuzieSky

SuzieSky
CharlieXGaming said:
What do you feel is the most and least complete continent we have? How many animals you guys think it would take to make the one you choose as the least, complete again?
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Habitat rosters from least to most complete:
  1. South/Central America: min of 10 to cover basics, ideally 20 (mostly missing Argentina, monkeys, birds, a few carnivores)
  2. Asia: min of 9 to cover basics, ideally ~16 (mostly missing monkeys, ornamental birds, ungulates)
  3. Africa: min of 7 to cover basics, ideally 20+ (mostly missing monkeys and birds, but there are still so many non-essentials that would be nice if support went on forever)
  4. North America/Arctic: min of 7 to cover basics, ideally ~12 (mostly missing black bear, wolverine, bird, arctic stuff)
  5. Oceania: min of 7 to cover basics, ideally 11+ (mostly missing popular 4, monitor, more marsupials)
  6. Europe: min of 2 to cover basics, ideally ~6 (mostly missing swan and an ungulate, probably boar)
  7. Antarctica: maybe could get a penguin?
 
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Magnolia

Magnolia
Captain Callum said:
Based on review positivity percentages from the steam store pages
  • South america at 66 percent positive
  • Arctic at 72 percent positive
  • Australia at 74 percent positive
  • Arid at 78 percent positive
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330 people reviewed South America pack
311 reviewed the Arctic pack
185 reviewed the Australia pack
42 reviewed the Arid pack

This is why we look at sample sizes kids.
 

jcp011c

jcp011c
AndyZoos said:

For sure! The game wasn't perfect and it still isn't but... Waiting for a "perfect" game is just not going to pan out for anybody. Beyond that, people have done the math and we actually get more content using the current system (compared to the expansion pack model of yore).
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Sorry to snip to just part I wanted to comment on, it's all good points though. I'm not sure that's actually accurate, but it's pretty close. Some of ZT's packs came out a year after another and some of them six months after another, all adding around 20 animals each (the extinct animals was a bit more than that0. So in some cases, we do get more animals and in some cases we don't. Cost wise though, if I remember the packs were $20USD, which would probably be closer to $40USD now...maybe $35USD. So if compared, that's still about $2 per animal, and that's before throwing in any additional features or things. Given inflation I would still say Planet Zoo DLC is a better "deal" than ZT2.

One thing I do know is this, we have 166 animals in PZ now, 126 of which are habitat animals. ZT 2 had 135 at the end of its run, if I'm counting right. That's including official downloads as well as all 40 extinct animals and 20 animals from Marine Mania. Taking those away, ZT2 had 75 animals in the game....and of course PZ is still growing.

I loved ZT2 and it took a long time for a spiritual successor to come along and make a really really good zoo game. But Frontier did it! IMO anyways, the PZ roster is absolutely superior to ZT2's at this point.

@CharlieXGaming (browser won't let me multiquote this, sorry! What do you feel is the most and least complete continent we have? How many animals you guys think it would take to make the one you choose as the least, complete again?

Most complete, Asia. I know people want to say Africa since Africa has so many animals in it, but honestly, for me...for purely Asian animals, so not including Eurasian animals, getting a couple of Antelopes and a Cobra would make it complete. After those, honestly the Sulawesi Bear Cuscus, Raccoon Dog and Markhor are really the only other purely Asian animals I have any kind of real interest in being included.

Least complete, it's not even a contest, South America. Just including mammals we'd probably need another 3 or 4 primates. Additionally, I have my personal preferences, hello Spectacled Bear, Patagonian Mara, Coatimundi and Brazilian Porcupine, but the Ocelot and Collard Peccary are also really strong additions. South America is the only pack I can think of that just mammal wise, has 10 or more animals for what it's going to take to make it feel complete, at the same time not overbalancing it so much that it feels "too represented"
 

Captain Callum

Captain Callum
Magnolia said:
330 people reviewed South America pack
311 reviewed the Arctic pack
185 reviewed the Australia pack
42 reviewed the Arid pack

This is why we look at sample sizes kids.
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Mazoku

Mazoku
CharlieXGaming said:
Alright I’m gonna change the topic cause I have absolutely nothing to add to the current one going on 😅.

What do you feel is the most and least complete continent we have? How many animals you guys think it would take to make the one you choose as the least, complete again?
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Complete
Africa: We got lots of African, there are few requested African animals such as Secretary Bird and Baboon/Gelada, but overall Africa is very complete.
Asia: Plenty of Asian animals, only Asian antelopes are needed to complete since we have no Asian antelopes in-game yet.
North America: North America is complete for me, we got plenty of North American animals. People still demand for more North American animals though.

Least Complete
Oceania: Need more Oceania animals. More marsupials, kiwi and other reptiles would be nice.
South America: Lacks new world monkeys. Peccaries, Spectacled Bear, Coati, Ocelot, Birds and Reptiles.
Europe: I mentioned this sometimes now, Europe need more animals. EBB, Wisent, Wolverine, Wild Boar, Martens, Hedgehog, Squirrel, Deers, etc.
Antarctica: More penguins?
 

NachoB

NachoB
CharlieXGaming said:
Alright I’m gonna change the topic cause I have absolutely nothing to add to the current one going on 😅.

What do you feel is the most and least complete continent we have? How many animals you guys think it would take to make the one you choose as the least, complete again?
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Depends on what you call complete. If we consider that a continent es "complete" when it has good enough species in relation to their biodiversity i would say the most complete is África and the least complete is Latín América (central and South américa since a lot of species are the same).

Now if by complete you mean number of species i would say Europe and Oceania are the least complete.

For Latín América i think we need at least three primates (howler, spider and tamarin), the coati, the rhea, peccary, ocelot, and birds (mostly macaws, toucans, hummingbirds but also ibis and spoonbills). I don't even need the spectacled bear tbh but birds, coati, primates and a small jungle cat are needed imo. Tamanduas are nice extras as well.

Europe is still missing some key species such as the boar, wisent, roe deer, ducks, swans, Wolverine, musk ox, walrus, cappercaillie and a couple of caprines such as chamois and mouflon.

Oceania could still get a lot of animals: monitor (perentie or lace), echidna, little blue penguin, tasmanian devil, kiwi, tuatara, tree kangaroo, black swan, Victoria crowned pigeon, budgies and lorikeets, kookaburra, black swan and even a second wallaby. Even some oddballs and rare in captivity like the numbats would be nice.

The problem i see with SA compared to Oceania and Europe is that the least two already got their most iconic animals (excepto maybe for the boar and the devil) whereas SA still is missing primates and birds that are essential to it's true representation.

África and asia seem to be the most complete continents although there are parts of Asia still lacking like India, Himalayas and China.
 
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DarthQuell

DarthQuell
I don't think any continent is actually complete, but here's the order of most to least completed:
  1. North America - pretty good roster, I'm satisfied. Only the ABB is essential, then I'm done (I'm sorry gray fox. We may never meet)
  2. Africa - solid roster, but I'd like 1 baboon, 1 tortoise, 1 croc, and the secretary bird. With those, I'm happy
  3. Europe - while it's a good amount of animals, I would like the wild boar and European bison
  4. Asia - fantastic diversity, with both tropical and taiga animals. But, I would like the blackbuck as well as some more primates, like the grey langur, lion-tailed macaque, and maybe the golden snub-nosed monkey
  5. Oceania - in general, pretty good. I don't know exactly what else is needed, but personal want is the Tasmanian devil and the kiwi
  6. South America - we need at LEAST 4 more monkeys as well as the spectacled bear. Then it'll feel better
  7. Antarctica - just 1 penguin will do. However, I put this lowest because I highly doubt we'll get a penguin from here
 

Fallax

Fallax
Talking about completion, if we look at the META-Wishlist Top 50 we get this picture for the continents (grouping all of Oceania together):

Asia: 18 (Wolverine, Walrus, Musk Ox, Hamadryas Baboon, Takin, Markhor, Saiga, Honey Badger, Blackbuck, Great White Pelican, Sea Otter, Wild Boar, Pallas's Cat, Wapiti, Sloth Bear, Mute Swan, Gaur, Golden Snub-Nosed Monkey)
Africa: 17 (Secretary Bird, Hamadryas Baboon, Shoebill, Grey Crowned Crane, Serval, Honey Badger, Gelada, Great White Pelican, Mantled Guereza, Wild Boar, Coquerel's Sifaka, Greater Kudu, African Leopard, Aye-Aye, Nile Crocodile, Kirk's Dik-Dik, Gerenuk)
South America: 13 (South American Coati, Black Howler Monkey, Golden Lion Tamarin, West Indian Manatee, Ocelot, Spectacled Bear, Patagonian Mara, Greater Rhea, Southern Tamandua, Geoffroy's Spider Monkey, Bush Dog, Collared Peccary, Guianan Squirrel Monkey)
North America: 12 (Wolverine, Walrus, Musk Ox, West Indian Manatee, Ocelot, Sea Otter, Geoffroy's Spider Monkey, Wapiti, American Black Bear, Bush Dog, Alligator Snapping Turtle, Collared Peccary)
Europe: 7 (Wolverine, Walrus, Musk Ox, Saiga, Great White Pelican, Wild Boar, Mute Swan)
Oceania: 4 (Tasmanian Devil, Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo, North Island Brown Kiwi, Short-Beaked Echidna)

One thing I noticed is a lot of these species are found across multiple continents, so here is a version with those species removed:

Africa: 13 (Secretary Bird, Shoebill, Grey Crowned Crane, Serval, Gelada, Mantled Guereza, Coquerel's Sifaka, Greater Kudu, African Leopard, Aye-Aye, Nile Crocodile, Kirk's Dik-Dik, Gerenuk)
South America: 8 (South American Coati, Black Howler Monkey, Golden Lion Tamarin, Spectacled Bear, Patagonian Mara, Greater Rhea, Southern Tamandua, Guianan Squirrel Monkey)
Asia: 7 (Takin, Markhor, Blackbuck, Pallas's Cat, Sloth Bear, Gaur, Golden Snub-Nosed Monkey)
Oceania: 4 (Tasmanian Devil, Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo, North Island Brown Kiwi, Short-Beaked Echidna)
North America: 2 (American Black Bear, Alligator Snapping Turtle)
Europe: 0

I think this is interesting to see compared to the map that @yoav_r posted.
 
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