Sigh... okay, I guess... but these never seem as successful as the one by RandomGoat.
Preparing for the 2024 Habitat Animal Meta Wishlist...
- Thread starter SuzieSky
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I don't always understand why you respond with "sigh", because these are legitimate questions.
Random Goat's thread is very outdated. Views have changed and desires have changed, too. While it's much later in the game's lifespan, it still is good to know the general wants that the community is asking for. At least, if the devs still see it, they'll get many ideas of what's still in demand
Naturally older wishlists will become more popular. Randomgoat's wishlist was always advertised as the wishlist for every habitat animal related from when the game was still in earlier stages of dlc releases - more people were hopeful for dlcs full of these amazing animals that keep getting requested. Fast forward to today, there are many meta wishlists that try to address the long standing issues of Randomgoat's wishlist but the player base is less enthusiastic about future content and more wishlists mean Votes are spread thin instead of a localised wishlist.
Also many of our long standing players seem to refuse to acknowledge 2024 content beyond the summer for whatever reasons so those opinions in the discussion threads may rub off onto others leading to an even lower overall turnout of voters.
So even though it’s outdated, would frontier look at random goats wishlist cause it has more participants, or would they look at more recent wishlists?
I would think both, as the roster of this year does mimic higher requests of randomgoat's wishlist compared to others. I have a feeling though new wishlists are just as popular, it can't be a coincidence that the last 2 updates have patched very specific bug fixes that have been present for years when my feature wishlist mentions them in detail.
Because these things seem a little pointless. I get that RandomGoat's thread old... but these new threads are never as popular as the original.
However, there are dozens of wishlists that people create on here from Africa wishlist all the way to petting zoo wishlist. I would think it would be easier to follow one, even if it’s outdated.
No, of course they aren't. The life of PZ is coming to an end, so it makes sense that these new wishlists aren't as popular.
However, the OG wishlist also was publicly announced by so many YouTubers and on other websites. These other ones aren't, so that's why they seem less popular.
However, a new wishlist is what would be best because it would show how people view things, now
I thought I closed my bird meta list as I couldn’t commit to it anymore
I say keep it habitat animal only
Sea turtles I think are a good exception considering how frontier isn’t always realistic on every animal, therefore I could see sea turtles having land time more than they should.
No fully aquatic and no animals requiring an overhead aviary on this new list
I say keep it habitat animal only
Sea turtles I think are a good exception considering how frontier isn’t always realistic on every animal, therefore I could see sea turtles having land time more than they should.
No fully aquatic and no animals requiring an overhead aviary on this new list
All in order. The function of the points system uses all 50 for the favorite and combined list. The first 25 are used with the traditional counting system and general animal list.
TBH i think all extant real living animals (so no fantasy, cryptids nor extinct) should be allowed regardless of game mechanics because that would trully show the demand for flying birds and aquatic creatures. Even if they are not implemented now, if say toucans and macaws become top five in a meta wishlist alongside with idk dolphins then it shows Frontier what the true most requested animals really are. If we keep limiting ourselves to what is currently possible in game then it will appear once again like there is no demand for those kind of things when in reality they are the most wanted features atm. Maybe they will come in a sequel or whatever but at least it will show how wanted these animals are really.
Also i think is fine to vote for specific species, is the best way, but maybe creating another list with top wanted animal "types" or "groups" alongside the list of animal species will also be useful because i believe that was another issue that was brought up with the older wishlists. Like NW monkeys as a whole were requested but only a couple reached the top 10 and it took a while for that. Same with birds.
I feel like i'm rambling so i hope it makes sense what i'm trying to say lol
PS: also i see no difference in someone voting for some obscure very niche animal species that very few people know about but they would work for the current game mechanic and voting for a flying bird. Both have equally LOW chances to show up ingame tbh regardless of game mechanics allowing it or not lol.
Also i think is fine to vote for specific species, is the best way, but maybe creating another list with top wanted animal "types" or "groups" alongside the list of animal species will also be useful because i believe that was another issue that was brought up with the older wishlists. Like NW monkeys as a whole were requested but only a couple reached the top 10 and it took a while for that. Same with birds.
I feel like i'm rambling so i hope it makes sense what i'm trying to say lol
PS: also i see no difference in someone voting for some obscure very niche animal species that very few people know about but they would work for the current game mechanic and voting for a flying bird. Both have equally LOW chances to show up ingame tbh regardless of game mechanics allowing it or not lol.
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This has been pretty much my take on things since the first meta-list was started years ago. The whole point of a meta-list is surveying what people would value the most in the game, yet in all of these meta-lists there are numerous rules and limitations. Meaning that in the end, none of the meta-lists that have been made on the forums have provided an accurate gauge of what people are truly wanting.
Now, obviously there should be some slight limitations. Doubt Frontier could/would want to mess with the licensing for a Wild Smurf or Night Fury.
But any creature that has a true biological presence/record should be allowed to be voted for. And for the claims that votes would be “wasted” in the loosening of rules/parameters, isn’t the vote only truly wasted if it was used on something that the voter didn’t actually value the most? Because again, isn’t accurate/full-picture data the whole point of a survey/meta-list anyway?
I know we all have our biases for what seems the most useful/practical in Planet Zoo, but surveys really should try to remove personal bias if the intention is accurate data.
So what if a Vampire Squid gets a couple votes? It’s not going to be at the top of the meta-list, and at least the voters who wanted it actually had their voices heard.
No one is forcing anyone to participate. The wishlist is supposed to be about habitat animals, and plenty of people seemed to participate. It's actually kind of rare that someone gets confused and adds birds, extinct animals, 4x4 exhibit animals, or something tiny like hamsters that I have to exclude. The only time I remember a "fight" on this thread was over whether or not aquatics should be excluded, which is why I'm asking about it now.It’s pointless to do this. This won’t show anything new. Just the same people requesting the same species with mediocre number of participants.
Come take part but remember that you can vote on only what we’ve decided is going to be good for the future of the game.
A major reason I started doing this in the first place was that random goat was repeatedly expressing that the workload was stressing them out and they understandably didn't want to do substitutions. This yearly one gives people an outlet for that if they so choose.
Whether or not to do the 2024 habitat animal list wasn't one of the questions. Expanding the 2024 habitat animal list to include exhibit animals is not feasible for me, as I've already stated. Your negativity and conspiracy theories are bordering on rude. Please stop.
Assuming you're talking about habitat animals, which restrictions do you have a problem with?
I agree in the first part because there are so many wishlists right now I dont think another one is really gonna help that much.It’s pointless to do this. This won’t show anything new. Just the same people requesting the same species with mediocre number of participants.
Come take part but remember that you can vote on only what we’ve decided is going to be good for the future of the game.
I dont agree on the second part though. You can't say its the community deciding whats best for the games future, its what is the most probable. We haven't got a single flying bird or fully aquatic animal since the launch of the game, so why should they be part of the wishlist when we dont even know what frontiers plan is for these or if they can even do it? It makes no sense. Clearly frontier knows that people want birds and full aquatics, making another wishlist with them in it and having a manatee or eagle at the number one slot isnt gonna change their perspective.
You said it yourself, it wont show anything new and it probably won't have a big impact on frontiers mind set as much as the rest of the wishlists do, but if we want a chance at showing them whats important to us when they've already said no to aquatics and free flying, theyre not gonna take a wishlist with those on it seriously. They're gonna pick a wishlist with stuff they can do.
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That's exactly what i came to when building my free-update metawishlist (for everything except animal additions), to accurately represent the submitted data i had to both allow people to voice their opinions freely with no limitations and avoid personal bias as much as possible. The result was one very complicated wishlist but with my skills i managed to find a good way to organise a huge mass of data in simple terms. I have random votes from the basic animal improvements to the extremely controversial suggestions like egglaying but i cant ignore someones voices because i personally disagree with them - sure its only 1 or 2 votes but their personal wishes were recorded.
At the end of the day, i decided that it is not my place as the metawishlist owner to decide whether or not a feature is possible ingame or not. What it does is tell frontier exactly what we desire. I really wish the animal wishlists would adopt such an approach.
No, it’s nothing to do with what’s probable - the question is what you would like to have, not what you think it’s likely we’ll get.
So what? If someone wants to ‘waste’ their vote on something that’ll never happen that’s their problem.
Surely they’d be capable if just ignoring things they aren’t going to / can’t add?
In any case, it’s Susie’s list so they can make whatever limitations they like… If it’s too much work to allow whatever people want then that’s totally fair enough.