I'm not going to like this.
Winter 2023 PDLC speculation
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I fail to understand why you don't like it. You haven't really stated why
The Tarbo is in the wrong DLC.
If you're thinking about the possibility of there no being a second Camp Cretaceous themed PDLC in any way, shape or form, it still not an irrefutable smoking gun.
Besides, if (only IF) there will be another one in the form of an expansion pack or something like that, the exclusion of Nothosaurus and Tarbosaurus wouldn't really matter, because I have studied and learned how they do their PDLCs across both JWE games far longer and deeper for years, and I've already said and implied why a few times here in the forums.
Not really, though. Assuming we even get a 2nd Camp Cretaceous DLC, expansions seem to add 2 species at most. We could be seeing the Spinoceratops and perhaps the Microceratus (because I just feel like the Smilodon is too different to really fit the game)
Oh, OK.
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If there will be more DLCs as expansion packs, my reasons to say why I think any that are "Camp Cretaceous" and "Site B" are unique each with a generalized common detail.
If JWE1's Return to Jurassic Park can have two species, why is it that the possibility of them doing the same here is not ever possible at all? Frontier are also very "sticking-to" and "cohesive" with their expansions when it comes to dinosaur roster. RTJP for instance only introduces species that appeared in the flesh in the JP trilogy that haven't been in that game yet, and not dinos that didn't appear like so. Like Segisaurus (despite it being listed on the brochure for the first movie but didn't have an actual appearance in it) for example, as disused during that time.
If there will be a DLC that will introduce a CC campaign in a CC style PDLC expansion pack, it will most definitely be set and designed to fit within the Jurassic Park/World film continuity, as that's how the DFW campaign was designed as confirmed by JWE2 director, Rich Newbold, and that's what's implied by the descriptions of both Dominion campaigns in their marketing material. JWE2's campaigns are not like JWE1 which are like "alternate settings" like what YouTuber MtSibo concludes.
I thought, if there will be a CC campaign, it won't use the Nothosaurus and Tarbosaurus because they have no place for both the style of gameplay and story settings (Nothosaurus was likely planned and set to utilize something that would've been DLC exclusive anyway, which was the rock platform, and Tarbosaurus, first encountered in Hidden Adventure, can have a differed fate depending on the ending consequence route), and would have been like the Quetzalcostlus from the Dominion Biosyn Expansion. The Quetz wasn't used at all in the campaign at all, likely due to there being no plans on how to use it properly in it, but it's still available elsewhere besides Sandbox. No PDLC content is exclusive to Sandbox mode at all.
So, with all that above in mind, what I concluded is this: If there will be expansions for both CC species and Microceratus, a theoretical Camp Cretaceous expansion would have only two species (formerly three, until the Cretaceous Predator Pack) where it will introduce and utilize the Saber-tooth and Spinoceratops, along with any possible CC skins (ex: Little Eatie and Firecracker) and (if applicable) variants, for the campaign. Also, a Site B themed expansion, not based on one particular movie but multiple at the same time, will introduce Microceratus as the one and only new dinosaur species (not four, or three, or even two), along with any potential JP trilogy skins and/or variants (ex: the TLW Pteranodon) not currently in-game yet, as Microceratus was confirmed to be active dinosaur on the island in both DPG marketing material and videos shown in Dominion, with a campaign that will use them all.
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Turns out I was pretty close yesterday.
I'm quite happy with the selection we got. And I'm definitely glad there's no abominable ugly Spinoceratops.
Both the Concavenator and Utahraptor look absolutely fantastic
Another CC DLC seems quite unlikely at this point, since none of the previous DLC animals like Tarbosaurus, Nothosaurus, CC Ouranosaurus, Scorpius, Para lux, Bumpy, Toro could be featured in a campaign as they can't be sure players also have those DLC packs.
It would seem odd to have a CC campaign without any of those. So I don't think it's gonna happen.
That's what you think.
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Certainly seems that way. They do seem to prefer to end support with a bang (Ghostbusters & Return to Jurassic Park), so the final DLC being an Expansion wouldn't be implausible, though two Packs close together might also fit that definition.
It was the final Planet Coaster DLC, it was after two ride packs.
A thought popped up earlier has me wondering if we're to still get four packs this year and have a surprise DLC next month like the Cretaceous Pack in 2018 or the Early Cretaceous Pack in 2021. A bit of wishful thinking.
Okay so clearly, I've been totally wrong on some things about the situation that Frontier is having with the layoffs and understanding more about the difference between fiscal year and calendar year. It's all making sense now and I can't help but feel nervous of the game ending before I know it.
Doing more steamDB sleuthing, it doesn't look great for the theory, the LQA update would've needed to be the same one as this DLC, and there's no unknown App candidate (Every DLCs first changelog is shared with JWE2, apart from seemingly the Marine species pack, which doesn't seem to share a changelog until announcement, about a week before).
I wouldn't rate it as impossible just yet (maybe around the 15th of December, 20th is the latest a December DLC has been), but they'd very much be going out of their way to hide it this much, suggesting it's probably not a thing.
It is a next year problem. Based on the fact canon species are basically being rationed, it suggests we've at least another half a year.
To me it looks like nearing the end of support for Planet Zoo, mainly with their Anniversary update being more than usual, maybe getting towards ending with a bang.
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I agree. If the plan was to stop support, then it would make sense to at least have all the film animals in before doing so. The fact that they are clearly rationing them seems to indicate that there's more DLC on the way. I also suspect there might not be any more expansions on the way, unless they're maybe planning a tie in with the Chaos Theory series. But at least using packs to keep people hyped for more JW stuff would make sense at least for a while.
And also a thing I've noticed is that the last two packs seem to have focused on which animals are the most requested. Which was not the case for packs in the past. I'm wondering if that's the strategy from now on, add in a canon animal, and fill out the pack with popular requests that, together, fit with a theme.
If you want to know what kind of campaign I had in mind, this is it from another thread:
It's partly inspired by how the Biosyn campaign doesn't use Quetzalcoatlus in it at all, despite being packed together in the same DLC, which I already explained in detail why I believe so above. It's also partly inspired by how the second level of the Biosyn campaign doesn't use all of the key valley species, or even the T.Rex character herself like I initially thought it would back then, in the second level (Scorched Earth). The Biosyn campaign doesn't even use Moros intrepidus or Iguanodon, even if you have the Malta Expansion, story required or optional for you to choose. It goes to show how creative and resourceful they are in making campaign playthroughs and stories without as many dinosaur species or dino characters as you might think or want, even if they are technically available in the same DLC or the base game.
Lastly, some of the Isla Nublar dinosaur species you listed aren't really encountered or known by the characters until Season 3. Besides, maybe (in theory only) they might end up making a scared version of Toro that might appear in my example levels 2 and 4. The Tarbo's fate in Hidden Adventure also differs depending on how you play, as I already said. Remember what I also said, JWE2's campaigns (at least from a storytelling perspective) are designed to fit within the Jurassic movie continuity, as confirmed by Newbold for the DFW one on Newsweek magazine, and at the very least what's implied in the descriptions of both Dominion campaigns.
That's why I think a campaign is still possible with no smoking gun "evidence" (yet) to confirm otherwise.
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With them rationing out the remaining canon species; I'm expecting three packs in 2024 each with one of the remaining three canon species. A cretaceous herbivore pack with Microeratus in March seems like a safe bet. Smilodon would then be in a mammal/Cenozoic pack so that it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb by being the only mammal in the game.
That just leaves Sinospino which could be added in Hybird pack, although I'm not sure how likely that is considering the distaste people have for hybrids.
That just leaves Sinospino which could be added in Hybird pack, although I'm not sure how likely that is considering the distaste people have for hybrids.