Winter 2023 DLC Speculation

Oooh I got a fun idea for a topic. What are animals you use so rarely that you forget they are in the game?
Hmm, not forgotten really but:

  • Apes and Elephants, because I hate the idea of them being in zoos. It breaks immersion for me (and my heart!)
  • Mandrills, they just don't really do anything for me
  • Himalayan Brown Bear - I use the Grizzly or the Formosan depending on climate
  • Indian Rhino. I don't build for India much as we have so few Indian species. Hope we get more, I've tried but found it too strange without macaques or langurs and I got bored of peacocks after using them too much in my first few attempts at Franchise.
 
Oooh I got a fun idea for a topic. What are animals you use so rarely that you forget they are in the game?
I don't remember.
because I hate the idea of them being in zoos. It breaks immersion for me (and my heart!)
1. How does it break immersion? For something to "break immersion" it has to be extremely unrealistic. Keeping apes and elephants in a zoo is very realistic, therefore the opposite of immersion-breaking. If the game forced you to put the dodo into every zoo, that would be an example of something that breaks immersion.
2. If not for zoos, both elephants and apes (especially orangutans) would be a lot closer to extinction than they are now. Be grateful. Modern facilities for both elephants and apes are leagues ahead of what they used to be, and both groups are quite capable of living happy lives in captivity provided they have sufficient socialisation and stimulation (and yes, modern zoos can provide both).
 
Oooh I got a fun idea for a topic. What are animals you use so rarely that you forget they are in the game?
Nile lechwe. Cuvier's dwarf caiman. Titan beetle. Raccoon. Skunks.

Right . HBB. I guess that one is number one because i forgot it exists even for this list lol

Oh black wildebeest. I also forgot that one exists. I think it looks cool though and now that we have the blue one i don't mind it's inclusion.
 
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Honestly some of the exhibit animals, though I like having them as an option. I still don’t know if I have used the leaf insect yet.

For more habitat animals, the Himalayan brown bear, arctic wolf, bonobo, and like half of the African hoofstock.
I forgot about exhibit animals so hard, I didn’t even think to mention them.

I love only the tree frog, newt, leaf insect and the walkthrough exhibits.

Also, potentially 12 minutes until announcement?
 
I forgot about exhibit animals so hard, I didn’t even think to mention them.

I love only the tree frog, newt, leaf insect and the walkthrough exhibits.

Also, potentially 12 minutes until announcement?
I like a lot of the exhibit animals so i do remember a lot of them and have then in mind when planning a zoo, specially the snake, spiders and amphibians. I guess i forgot the snail exists as well so that goes also in the list.
 
I don't remember.

1. How does it break immersion? For something to "break immersion" it has to be extremely unrealistic. Keeping apes and elephants in a zoo is very realistic, therefore the opposite of immersion-breaking. If the game forced you to put the dodo into every zoo, that would be an example of something that breaks immersion.
2. If not for zoos, both elephants and apes (especially orangutans) would be a lot closer to extinction than they are now. Be grateful. Modern facilities for both elephants and apes are leagues ahead of what they used to be, and both groups are quite capable of living happy lives in captivity provided they have sufficient socialisation and stimulation (and yes, modern zoos can provide both).
Well, I'm not saying everyone should play like this at all, but it's immersive (and fun!) for me to look after my animals' welfare. It's unrealistic for me to run a zoo that I don't feel is ethical.

I have worked with elephants in rescue orphanages in Sri Lanka and spent time with them in rehabilitation to the wild programmes in Laos. I've visited conservation centres in Borneo reintroducing orangutans in the wild, and spent time with them - rewilded, in the actual, wild jungle. Seeing a rehabilitated mother orangutan with her newly born wild baby was one of the best experiences of my life. I've volunteered a lot for conservation and it's at the very core of my heart and being.

Many smaller zoos no longer keep elephants due to the poor welfare they suffer in small captivity settings (eg London Zoo). The game lends itself better to zoo builds than national parks, with large wild areas for animals to freely roam, where I believe these animals are best looked after for their wellbeing and for conservation. The better of two evils regarding conservation vs welfare for animals in zoos is a big debate and not one I care to get into here, but my feeling is that conservation works best in the animals' natural origin and environment, rather than in cages on the other side of the world. So for me, the immersion that is broken is the type of zoo that I want to run and can have fun imagining I'm building and running.

Edit to add: I also volunteered at a small UK zoo, where they kept tigers that they described as a 'sacrifice' so that they could draw in guests and keep funding the work they were doing for smaller animals. The keepers there were sad about having to still keep these poor tigers around and made their habitat as nice as they could, but it was small.
 
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