Don't let it bother you too much. Most here understand the language barrier and the difficulties involved with translation.
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No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Don't let it bother you too much. Most here understand the language barrier and the difficulties involved with translation.
Huh? What?
Sorry you can't play the game Jiminy,
I'd be gutted... - I hope you find a way to get an internet connection sometime and join us soon....
I think it would be useful to get the circumstances down for others. might i ask the circumstances. Had you downloaded beta? Played beta? Gone online? Or had you just pre-ordered and that's it?
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Yes, we know about that. Or as we're now starting to call it = "Elite Dangerous offline by another name" - lol!
First you can ignore....
second why you reading here....for you is all fine.
third....I can't stop because a promise is a promise.....or you didn't learn that ?
I pray it comes to fruition but there is no 'definite' with LTheory sadly just as there wasn't with I-Novae Studios planned game.
I"m sorry, the storpage for the Digital Beta Access is quite clear on the matter, Woodstock...
Thanks for pointing this out. Very clever how they covered themselves in this manner. Lesson learned, wont get fooled again.
Of course if that was true, and if their explanation that whatever their server does couldn't possibly be done by the same server VM more or less running locally to the client PC is also true, which I don't believe for a moment, then they could remove the requirement to log on at all to play single user online. Just have the server respond to any ED client connecting to it. The server doesn't need to know the name of a user to service his or her client's requests, so make online solo play DRM free that way...
It'd be interesting to see FD's response to that suggestion, which would defuse jthe whole DRM issue at a stroke!
I'm pretty sure that'll never happen, though...
Oh it is mate.
I've explained what has happened here to several people now (not associated with this movement) and everyone said the same thing - sounds like people took a chance and it never worked out. Unlucky. They also felt refunds would be a nice goodwill gesture but business insanity.
Finally sorry to say it but this is all just publicity for the game? It may be bad but will lead to more exposure and likely more sales. I guess if that prediction comes true it was all a deliberate marketing ploy by the evil FD tyrants......
Oh, I am sure it will get finished. Even if it takes a little longer, at least you will know where/how and why things are the way they are without and ambiguity and weasel wording.
I admire your optimism, we will see.
Ah, but it will have it's own unique seeded PG universe. Something which FD has somehow forgotten how to do with a single player game
So give the solo game away?
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just because a piece of software requires an online service to run (say twitter) doesn't mean it has DRM.
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It would be perfectly possible for FD to provide a copy of the elite client with no DRM, maybe even have the tutorials offline, but in order to play the game you need to connect (and login to) the FD servers to get essential game data.
this issue has escalated and FDs are doing everything to ruin their reputation.
phase 1:
-FDs : support us , we are planning multiplayer along with offline experience
phase 2:
-FDs : thanks for the support, multiplayer experience is really cool and exciting
phase 3:
-FDs : game is soon to be released. BTW, we scrapped offline mode but multiplayer experience is really cool and exciting
phase 4:
- offline community: Why? You have promised us offline mode, we have paid for it!
-FDs : offline is not good for you and is not making us happy. It was so "tough" decision for us but we have to cut something out and multiplayer experience is so exciting. Why are you not excited?!
- online community: We got what we wanted, so shut up
phase 5:
- offline community: we feel betrayed and can not enjoy the multiplayer for various reasons. Can we get the explanation and refund
-FDs : we'll pretend nothing is happening
- online community: Take the refund and shut up! You are ruining the game!
phase 6:
- offline community: can we get some answers on refunding and why offline mode was abandoned?
-FDs : It was a tough decision. But details are very secret. What is done is done! anyway, offline mode might work if we want it to work... maybe when servers are not going to be profitable any more. ofcourse, we'll give you a refund. Now, let's talk about new anaconda skins and how exciting multiplayer is!
- online community: lets build a stake and burn the offliners, they want to destroy everything
phase 7:
- offline community: hey, all refund requests have been denied
- FDs: let's pretend we did the right thing...
- online community: see, you like the game, so shut up!
Ofcourse, that is somewhat simplified.
anyway, the saddest thing is that FDs managed to split community in two. the ones that got what they wanted for their money. And the others , who feel let down, betrayed and basically decived. Some that have paid for the game will not be able to play it at all. The others are getting something they didn't want or backed at all.
but the most tragic thing is that FDs are not doing anything to live up to the reputation they have been carefully building all this time in with this wonderfull fan base. and some of the attacks and hate expressed by some comunity members toward the people that feel dissapointed and let down are particularly disturbing.
all of us wanted what we have paid for. Offline mode was promised to be integral part of the game. Those of you who are enjoying multiplayer, try to understand. for some of the players, your fellow Elite fans, multiplayer and online mods are either not enjoyable or not playable for various reasons. And just as you enjoy multiplayer we enjoy single player. we gave money for single player offline we planned to enjoy. Now with offline singleplayer gone, we have really got something we didn't wanted. Refunds, without any tricks and law excuses would be the least FDs could do, a sign of goodwill, to try to keep their reputation within community. And that is not about someone trying to destroy the game. It is about good customer service and support. That makes the difference between developers we coul'd trust and the ones we coul'd not. The fact that you got promised multiplayer and some other guys did not get promised single player does not entitle you to attack them or hate them. We have all supported the FDs for the things they have promised us. And nobody can tell me that single player offline mode is just a minor feature, cause it's not!
the whole thing about FDs promising single player offline ,then forcing players to like multiplayer, then finally scrapping single player offline before release and after fundraising is over, then wondering why people want single player and forcing fans again to like multiplayer with words and limiting their choices leaves a really bad taste in the mouth. and we even didn't mentioned refunds requests being refused.
FDs, what have happened to you?! the last 2 years I have been pointing you out as an example of how developers shoul'd work and treat their players. It is really hard to find the words now...
phase 1:
-FDs : support us , we are planning multiplayer along with offline experience
phase 2:
-FDs : thanks for the support, multiplayer experience is really cool and exciting
phase 3:
-FDs : game is soon to be released. BTW, we scrapped offline mode but multiplayer experience is really cool and exciting
phase 4:
- offline community: Why? You have promised us offline mode, we have paid for it!
-FDs : offline is not good for you and is not making us happy. It was so "tough" decision for us but we have to cut something out and multiplayer experience is so exciting. Why are you not excited?!
- online community: We got what we wanted, so shut up
phase 5:
- offline community: we feel betrayed and can not enjoy the multiplayer for various reasons. Can we get the explanation and refund
-FDs : we'll pretend nothing is happening
- online community: Take the refund and shut up! You are ruining the game!
phase 6:
- offline community: can we get some answers on refunding and why offline mode was abandoned?
-FDs : It was a tough decision. But details are very secret. What is done is done! anyway, offline mode might work if we want it to work... maybe when servers are not going to be profitable any more. ofcourse, we'll give you a refund. Now, let's talk about new anaconda skins and how exciting multiplayer is!
- online community: lets build a stake and burn the offliners, they want to destroy everything
phase 7:
- offline community: hey, all refund requests have been denied
- FDs: let's pretend we did the right thing...
- online community: see, you like the game, so shut up!
Ofcourse, that is somewhat simplified.
anyway, the saddest thing is that FDs managed to split community in two. the ones that got what they wanted for their money. And the others , who feel let down, betrayed and basically decived. Some that have paid for the game will not be able to play it at all. The others are getting something they didn't want or backed at all.
but the most tragic thing is that FDs are not doing anything to live up to the reputation they have been carefully building all this time in with this wonderfull fan base. and some of the attacks and hate expressed by some comunity members toward the people that feel dissapointed and let down are particularly disturbing.
all of us wanted what we have paid for. Offline mode was promised to be integral part of the game. Those of you who are enjoying multiplayer, try to understand. for some of the players, your fellow Elite fans, multiplayer and online mods are either not enjoyable or not playable for various reasons. And just as you enjoy multiplayer we enjoy single player. we gave money for single player offline we planned to enjoy. Now with offline singleplayer gone, we have really got something we didn't wanted. Refunds, without any tricks and law excuses would be the least FDs could do, a sign of goodwill, to try to keep their reputation within community. And that is not about someone trying to destroy the game. It is about good customer service and support. That makes the difference between developers we coul'd trust and the ones we coul'd not. The fact that you got promised multiplayer and some other guys did not get promised single player does not entitle you to attack them or hate them. We have all supported the FDs for the things they have promised us. And nobody can tell me that single player offline mode is just a minor feature, cause it's not!
the whole thing about FDs promising single player offline ,then forcing players to like multiplayer, then finally scrapping single player offline before release and after fundraising is over, then wondering why people want single player and forcing fans again to like multiplayer with words and limiting their choices leaves a really bad taste in the mouth. and we even didn't mentioned refunds requests being refused.
FDs, what have happened to you?! the last 2 years I have been pointing you out as an example of how developers shoul'd work and treat their players. It is really hard to find the words now...
To be fair FDev needs an economist to make their economic model work. Currently they don't really have a supply and demand model.
Throw myself at the mercy of the missus!
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It all comes down to how each side views the "promise" I think it's clear that FD felt they had to choose between two conflicting "promises" online and offline. FD decided that online was the more important one. For the majority of backers that was the right call. For some it was the wrong call.
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I think the strength of feeling may have taken FD by surprise (as it often takes husbands by surprise how much anniversaries mean to their wives, to the husband it's a minor mistake, to the wife a big blunder). But ultimately, a call had to be made and right now the majority are happy.
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Regarding the refunds, the same differing views apply. As far as FD are concerned the money given to them was given for them to carry out development of ED. They feel they have done that so it is unfair (and bad financially) that they should have to give the money back. Some backers feel they have given the money for a specific feature and so feel that they should have it back as FD have dropped the feature.
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I guess this is a lesson in communicating the risks and uncertainties better and how two parties can misunderstand each other.
Well said mate.
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