Planet Zoo: Eurasia Animal Pack arriving 13 Dec ❄️

Tatanosaure

Tatanosaure
KönigDerKaffeebohnen said:
I wouldnt call it gate keeping, everyone can express their wishes and it makes sense that for animals similar between america and europe the NA playerbase would prefer theirs, they are simply a bit louder about it, meanwhile european players are mostly just on the defensive to want their animals.
To put it simply, either both are equally boring or none is, but most people seem to appreciate the wild North america more then the european one, which i honestly wouldnt even care about if the anti europe haters wouldnt be so annoying at times.
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I think it is for two reasons:
1. The first year and half of support wasn't particularly kind with Europeans in term of animals, so each animals we were receiving from our continent were already a big deal for us and mostly presented as NA or generic species (e.g wolf, reindeer or flamingo) (I would have never we would have two packs more or less dedicated to us, despite knowing that we were having a way higher diversity than what people want to admit). Personally, I enjoyed a lot of NA animals and in particular the ones that we find in Europe or with equivalent species (beaver, grizzly).

2. A part of the community from NA, probably the smaller amount but the noisy and the most trolling part, was constantly neglecting and lowering the interest of EU animals (I remember hearing and reading that EU wasn't worthy of a pack and would never have) and after that freely criticizing and lowering the EU pack. If there is this equivalent in the EU community it is for sure way less noisy and visible (smaller amount ?).
 

DarthQuell

DarthQuell
Tatanosaure said:
The first year and half of support wasn't particularly kind with Europeans in term of animals, so each animals we were receiving from our continent were already a big deal for us and mostly presented as NA or generic species (e.g wolf, reindeer or flamingo) (I would have never we would have two packs more or less dedicated to us, despite knowing that we were having a way higher diversity than what people want to admit). Personally, I enjoyed a lot of NA animals and in particular the ones that we find in Europe or with equivalent species (beaver, grizzly).
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North American here. It was the same for us: first chunk of super wasn't kind to us, either. Yeah, we got 4 animals from NA, but really, who uses them nowadays? Who used them back then? We didn't get proper attention until the North American pack, only for Europe to come right after. Then Twilight came and was a half-and-half Europe/North America 2 pack (the build theme is more European in my opinion, plus the red fox)
However, I do wanna say that every single addition to Europe has been amazing. And y'all have the advantage of having higher quality animals; we have 4 base game species that look weird, especially the wolf and bear
Tatanosaure said:
A part of the community from NA, probably the smaller amount but the noisy and the most trolling part, was constantly neglecting and lowering the interest of EU animals (I remember hearing and reading that EU wasn't worthy of a pack and would never have) and after that freely criticizing and lowering the EU pack. If there is this equivalent in the EU community it is for sure way less noisy and visible (smaller amount ?).
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The ones from Europe aren't here anymore. Well, somebody came then left then came then left again.
However, even then it was barely anybody from North America complaining. I don't even remember seeing any complaints on here regarding the Europe pack, but maybe I missed them
 

Angeł

Angeł
DarthQuell said:
And y'all have the advantage of having higher quality animals; we have 4 base game species that look weird, especially the wolf and bear
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This is why although it was a hard wait, I’m glad our European rep came later in the games life. There isn’t a bad European model except the Grey (“Timber”) Wolf, which I would love to be updated and split in two to represent the actual Timber Wolf and the Eurasian Grey Wolf, which it seems to be a hybrid of.
If this and the brown bear get an update (again the brown bear gaining a Eurasian Brown Bear rep), this would give NA and Europe some of the best models in game, and a complete selection.
 

Tatanosaure

Tatanosaure
DarthQuell said:
North American here. It was the same for us: first chunk of super wasn't kind to us, either. Yeah, we got 4 animals from NA, but really, who uses them nowadays? Who used them back then? We didn't get proper attention until the North American pack, only for Europe to come right after. [......] . And y'all have the advantage of having higher quality animals; we have 4 base game species that look weird, especially the wolf and bear
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I completely agree with you, the NA diversity wasn't well represented, and still lacks animals in my opinion. This said, the NA pack has also extremely well done animals (I remember it being the very jump in term of quality) but also very good picks (I still place it in my top 3 packs), similar for the Twilight pack. But strangely I love to build for the weirdo antelope you have and the bisons (even if I think they are too small). It is also true that the two carnovires present in the base game are extremely horrible and needs remaster mods to be used.
DarthQuell said:
The ones from Europe aren't here anymore. Well, somebody came then left then came then left again.
However, even then it was barely anybody from North America complaining. I don't even remember seeing any complaints on here regarding the Europe pack, but maybe I missed them
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I have to admit that I don't always read this forum (particularly from 2022 to 23, which is a shame because it is the most interesting community of PZ, but in some discords, or YouTube comments sections it was sometimes heavy to read. Maybe because I was biased also.
 

avietar

avietar
Emcee said:
This is why although it was a hard wait, I’m glad our European rep came later in the games life. There isn’t a bad European model except the Grey (“Timber”) Wolf, which I would love to be updated and split in two to represent the actual Timber Wolf and the Eurasian Grey Wolf, which it seems to be a hybrid of.
If this and the brown bear get an update (again the brown bear gaining a Eurasian Brown Bear rep), this would give NA and Europe some of the best models in game, and a complete selection.
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That would be great! And very much appreciated 💪🤞
 

Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
There were whole pod casts and several videos of north american content creators telling us europeans to "shut up" when it comes to european wildlife because "it is boring" and "they only have a deer, a deer and another deer." Some of them I actually considered almost friends back then but the europe hate got so "funny" to them, that I turned my back on them, because I was tired of being good enough to show support through watching and liking content and even have YT channel memberships, but not good enough to get animal wild life in a zoo game. Only one of several had the decency to apologise to me months later (which I appreciate very much) and has then changed their view on european animals and stopped the gate keeping. Because, news flash: Every continent deserves their wildlife respresented.
Or even their zoo life. In a way, the europe hate even went on with the twilight pack, because they did not want their own "road kill animals", and the fact that those are perfectly fine zoo animals for us was - again - not enough.
The europe hate also took on some ridicolous connotations back then, such as clearly believing the moose is more important to canada than it is to sweden. :ROFLMAO: The arrogance knew no limits back then.

Things eased down a lot since then, but it's still visible in the Brown Bear discussion. No, it is not a way of "just using the himalayan brown bear" just as it is not "simpy using the asian black bear". I think as a community we would all profit from getting off our high horse and be happy for each other when they get animals they need for a good home zoo representation. (Doesn't mean I will advocate for, say, the snub nose monkey until we get monkey of more world wide repsresentation, but it does mean that eventually I'd be happy for others, if it were included).

That said, I do personally really enjoy NA wildlife, which makes the european hate from some NA players sting even more and why I expect more respect - I show it as well.
 
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paul78

paul78
@Swjosdotschka its funny because I’m American but I’m intrigued by European wildlife. It’s funny because America and Europe have so many double species Bison/Wisent, brown bears, lynx, badgers, red deer/elk. I often compare the two brown bears. European to grizzly and I wonder how they differ if you cross paths with them. Here grizzlies are notoriously grumpy and unpredictable. Of course we also have a few more subspecies as well but the grizzly is by far the most dangerous. I’ll admit I didn’t know what to think of the pack when the first four animals were announced. But with the whole pack announcement I think frontier knocked it out of the park.
 
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Tatanosaure

Tatanosaure
paul78 said:
@Swjosdotschka its funny because I’m American but I’m intrigued by European wildlife. It’s funny because America and Europe have so many double species Bison/Wisent, brown bears, lynx, badgers, red deer/elk. I often compare the two brown bears. European to grizzly and I wonder how they differ if you cross paths with them. Here grizzlies are notoriously grumpy and unpredictable. Of course we also have a few more subspecies as well but the grizzly is by far the most dangerous. I’ll admit I didn’t know what to think of the pack when the first four animals were announced. But with the whole pack announcement I think frontier knocked it out of the park.
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One of the things that amazes me is that in fact in general American animals are larger, chunkier and also more aggressive than their European equivalents. I don't know if it is a matter of environment.
And you have the exception with the beaver which is larger in Europe.
 

Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
paul78 said:
@Swjosdotschka its funny because I’m American but I’m intrigued by European wildlife. It’s funny because America and Europe have so many double species Bison/Wisent, brown bears, lynx, badgers, red deer/elk. I often compare the two brown bears. European to grizzly and I wonder how they differ if you cross paths with them. Here grizzlies are notoriously grumpy and unpredictable. Of course we also have a few more subspecies as well but the grizzly is by far the most dangerous. I’ll admit I didn’t know what to think of the pack when the first four animals were announced. But with the whole pack announcement I think frontier knocked it out of the park.
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That's nice to hear. :) Not everyone is alike and I believe especially real zoo enthusiasts are more interested in having different species of brown bears etc.
I know Grizzlys are super dangerous, but I would not really want to come across a european brown bear as well 😅 At least not super close.
I only learned a few month ago that Black Bears are rather chill. When I see how close humans interact with them, I thought that people where nuts because I thought all bears are kind of aggressive.
 

Bearcat9948

Bearcat9948
I said this in my original post in this thread, that even though at the time this DLC wasn't particularly interesting to me (though it has grown on me since), I am very happy for all the European players to get some representative wildlife from their part of the world. One of the main reasons I, for years, had been so adamant about getting species like the Tasmanian devil and brown kiwi is because I strongly believe that there should be enough animals from each continent, if not region, for players from that area to be able to build a zoo that represents them and where they're from.

There really hasn't been a zoo game that's ever managed to fully realize that vision, PZ is the closest. More South and Central American animals and 1-2 Indian animals, and I think we'd be there.
 

Tatanosaure

Tatanosaure
Swjosdotschka said:
That's nice to hear. :) Not everyone is alike and I believe especially real zoo enthusiasts are more interested in having different species of brown bears etc.
I know Grizzlys are super dangerous, but I would not really want to come across a european brown bear as well 😅 At least not super close.
I only learned a few month ago that Black Bears are rather chill. When I see how close humans interact with them, I thought that people where nuts because I thought all bears are kind of aggressive.
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If you meet the Apennines subspecies you shouldn't risk anything. (Which also has an important conservation effort). I hope one day to have the opportunity to do photographic hunt in the Apennines for their chamois and bear.
Bearcat9948 said:
I said this in my original post in this thread, that even though at the time this DLC wasn't particularly interesting to me (though it has grown on me since), I am very happy for all the European players to get some representative wildlife from their part of the world. One of the main reasons I, for years, had been so adamant about getting species like the Tasmanian devil and brown kiwi is because I strongly believe that there should be enough animals from each continent, if not region, for players from that area to be able to build a zoo that represents them and where they're from.

There really hasn't been a zoo game that's ever managed to fully realize that vision, PZ is the closest. More South and Central American animals and 1-2 Indian animals, and I think we'd be there.
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A tree marsupial is still strongly required to be fair.

But I agreed, no zoo game ever reached what PZ did (even without birds or freshwater aquariums).
 

snoogins

snoogins
avietar said:
It's super interesting to read the reactions to this pack. Especially some of the American centric views, contrasting with views like mine (European). I always feel like European animals are somehow unimportant. For instance, the American bison is the go-to bison species, not the Wisent. Bighorn sheep, not Mouflon. Wapiti, not red deer. Like that. So I am extremely happy that in PZ we are actually getting European wildlife! It is absolutely amazing.

Wild boar may be pests in some parts of the world, but in Eurasia they are a forest staple and historically important in many cultures. I think with this pack, the European wildlife is as good as done. The only wants I would have now are smaller animals such as the red squirrel and brown hare. And the European brown bear, but honestly I don't want another brown bear if it has to come in a DLC (the Himalayan brown bear should 100% have been a Eurasian brown bear in the base game......)

So now, I can make a European zoo with all European animals! For instance, I can make a Dutch zoo that has Red deer and Fallow deer, Red foxes and Badgers, Lynx, Swans, Wisents, Wolves, and Grey seals. That is an entire full fledged zoo right there! I never would have thought that would happen when I bought the game when it released all those years ago. ❤️ I feel very grateful.

Also I very much appreciate the inclusion of the Saiga, which is not only a much needed first Asian antelope, but also a unique antelope species in and of itself of a unique lineage, and in need of conservation. I am planning to include them often, and think they would pair excellently with Przwalski horses and perhaps Bactrian camels. They've already become my favorite antelope and they're not even officially released yet!

Just wanted to post this as a positive message and major thanks to the development team at Frontier 💕
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I think the issue for american players is that when it comes to animals like wild boar and other hoofstock we have them here in the wild. It's not interesting to us since the vast majority of our megafauna doesn't really exist anymore in North America. Not animals like the saiga or takin but to americans they're kind of just meh. In fact we have so many wild boar here that they're destroying our ecosystems on the northeast and southeast of the half country. They're the antithesis of conservation. Funny enough nine banded armadillos are becoming more prolific here as well and have managed to migrate from central america all the way to the southern half of south carolina and are expected to move as far north as virginia in the next decade or so but that's a whole other discussion.
I think when it comes down to adding animals a lot of american players and more casual players in general are getting bored of every pack being hoofstock and cats. There are plenty of other mammal groups to pull from like primates, viverrids, marsupials, and mustalids that could use some love and don't get me started on reptiles, inverts and birds. Don't get me wrong frontier does a great job with the animal models but the game is entirely oversaturated with mammals as it is.
 

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Wolverine - Eurasia Animal Pack!❄


- What a gorgeous and fascinating Animal! Can't wait to put my hands on them!
 
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