Fair point and yeah I would like that customisability but if its sacrifice the customisability to get them ingame at all ill go for that
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But would frontier go for it? That is the question.
That's it, cheers
Do you really think the average playerbase 4 years into the release cycle of a ZOO game knows nothing about animals?? Everyone with mild interest will have stopped playing long ago, the people who care now are the animal/zoo enthusiasts and I think this is well reflected in the DLC we've been getting for the last year or so.
You expect everyone playing the game to have been playing it for 4 years which im pretty sure frontier has said somewhere that they get most of their money from base game sales so there are a lot of new players. This is irrespective of how much players who have stuck around knew or have learnt about animals.
The shift you have pointed out in animal selection is entirely to do with them running out of easily recognisable and iconic animals so they are spreading those that they have left across packs and filling the rest with animals commonly used as fillers in zoos useful but no so ground breaking.
Plus the abundance of ungulates is definitely due to a lessening of resource allocation towards this game. They are still producing a lot of great content, but animal-wise we shouldn't expect anything astonishing as things wrap up.
Its not necessarily a resource allocation issue for the game itself but more about how the newer packs are structured. So far the last 2 animal packs have had 1 intensive requested rig the porcupine and swan and the rest have been high quality animals which are more clone like and have a mid tier presence within the community. Ungulates just tend to fit that brief the best. They are easy to make well, there are normally a few that people want and they are common fillers in most zoos globally.
Full aviation. Flight not in a loop(for habitat). Arboreal feeding and sleeping. New "heat map" for traversible area being in the air. That type of thing.
I know we have aspects of some of these already, but not the same. I'm sure people with a lot more technical knowledge could say more than I could.
Yeah, but that's the whole point, there's nothing we can base this claim on. Every claim that bats are a test for birds doesn't start from the evidence we have; but rather starts from a desire to have birds. Which in turn leads to reasonings and arguments that don't make much sense when you look at it closer.
Like, take the argument if seeing if people would like the concept. That's a form of market research that is common to do before you start implementing a feature like this, and there are many cheaper (like reading the forums, Reddit, social media like we know they do) and more common (making a proof of concept to showcase to a select audience, working with a marketing agency, etc.) ways to do that. Implementing the system first is a much more risky and more expensive way of doing it.
Guys, mark my words: no hope, no disappointment. As long as we don't have any hope of having flying birds in the PZ, we won't be disappointed even if we don't. If there is, it will be a surprise.
We’ve had plenty of packs with just mammals….
I don’t know what this means
That’s already possible - it’s just 3d navigation, which exists for aquatics.
Already exists
Not a mechanic and not hard to implement with a ‘cage’ like the terrain stamps.
There’s a difference between what’s needed for very good flying and what would be amazing to have. What we already have would be sufficient to implant flying as well as deep diving and better than climbing….
I think they could show it as a blue Blob and just make Objects in it green if they are traversable and red if they are not
Also a good Idea
Low bar; climbing is arguably better than deep diving, currently. Deep diving is super janky; animals are still phasing through habitat barriers while diving, for example.
It's also a false equivalency because deep diving animals don't do anything, whereas people seem to expect flying animals to actually be doing something.
Nevertheless, that’s the bar Frontier have set.
I don’t know what this means. Flying animals would be flying, just as diving animals are diving… what else are they supposed to be doing while flying?
I think the only thing that confuses me about the idea of birds in Planet Zoo 2, is how could they market that? Ok, I understand “aviaries” in Planet Zoo 2 is a huge deal and that’s easy to market. I’m also thinking of future DLCs. Would planet zoo 2 have to get rid of some of the animals from the first game and re-sell them? We are already running low on ABC animals, which are usually the main stars of these packs. Would they remove some animals to re-sell them later? That way they can add more birds/ monkeys alongside the animal.
I know birds are popular, and Planet Zoo markets to a niche interest group, but I don’t know how much better these packs would sell. Even though I desperately want birds, I can imagine a lot of people thinking Planet Zoo 1 is good enough so they won’t get it. Though I would be happy to be wrong, after all JWE2 has done well. Granted that has dinosaurs and is part of a pre-existing franchise, it also has a console release.
If we do get flying birds it would probably be in Planet Zoo 2, though I’m still not sure how well that game will do compared to its predecessor.
Part of me does feel like Frontier is cooking something, the swan has a completely unique rig. They obviously won’t let that go to waste. Still, I’m gonna guess what’s coming is more likely to be a console release. Though with the console release may be some cool stuff.
I’m gonna be slightly hopeful and realistic about it, Frontier has seen how much people love the swan/ birds so who knows what will happen. Frontier loves to surprise us,
I know birds are popular, and Planet Zoo markets to a niche interest group, but I don’t know how much better these packs would sell. Even though I desperately want birds, I can imagine a lot of people thinking Planet Zoo 1 is good enough so they won’t get it. Though I would be happy to be wrong, after all JWE2 has done well. Granted that has dinosaurs and is part of a pre-existing franchise, it also has a console release.
If we do get flying birds it would probably be in Planet Zoo 2, though I’m still not sure how well that game will do compared to its predecessor.
Part of me does feel like Frontier is cooking something, the swan has a completely unique rig. They obviously won’t let that go to waste. Still, I’m gonna guess what’s coming is more likely to be a console release. Though with the console release may be some cool stuff.
I’m gonna be slightly hopeful and realistic about it, Frontier has seen how much people love the swan/ birds so who knows what will happen. Frontier loves to surprise us,
Expect the worse (Frontier never adds a bird other than ratite or penguin)
Hope for the Best (Now that we got Mute Swan [neither ratite or penguin] maybe Frontier will add more diverse birds?)
It applies to birds, nile crocodile, monkeys...
applies less to some of us, since our favorites are already well-represented.
Hope for the Best (Now that we got Mute Swan [neither ratite or penguin] maybe Frontier will add more diverse birds?)
It applies to birds, nile crocodile, monkeys...
applies less to some of us, since our favorites are already well-represented.
Yes.
I know JWE2 gave us pretty much all of JWE1's dinosaurs, but that was a very special case. JWE2 was released less than a year after JWE1 was finished and from what we know from the leaks JWE2 came into being because they were cornered on a technical level in JWE1. With the deadline of a new JW movie on its way and Universal calling the shots, JWE2 had to be there faster than they probably wanted so the only way not to loose your entire audience was to give them all the dinos again right from the start.
If Planet Zoo stops now and we get the sequel in, let's say November 2026, there is plenty of time for a new audience to join the game that did not play the first game; and there's enough time to have big enough improvements for Frontier to be able to sell animals we already had in this game. If not, as you pointed out, it's pretty much impossible to go on a multi year DLC plan as we'd just get multiple Arid-like packs.
I'd say that if we get a Planet Coaster 2, we should be preparing ourselves for a Planet Zoo 2 for sure and we're more than likely aren't going to get all animals from the first game. (Which by all means, is not uncommon at all)
From the looks of it the rig started from their flamingo rig, but even if it didn't; we know enough about Frontier's rigging process that even a completely unique rig is not that special.
Thank you for the clarification! I was sure we wouldn’t see a planet zoo 2 for awhile, as many have stated if the two games are released so close together I can imagine a lot of people thinking it’s not worth the investment. While many of us want birds I don’t think many are willing to go without the animals they already had.
Imagine if all someone wanted was a capybara, and Frontier decides to cut it from Planet Zoo 2. It is then released, maybe a year later, in a dlc with more birds and reptiles. I can imagine someone deciding it isn’t worth it when Planet Zoo 1 is already good enough.
I love birds, but even I can recognize a bunch of bird heavy packs may not sell well. It may with me, but not many people are as into birds as I am. We may not be a minority, but the birds for planet zoo crowd is certainly loud about it. So it actually makes me even more curious how Planet Zoo 2 will be marketed. Aviaries will be a big seller, but I don’t know how many people ho played Planet Zoo 1 will happily lose animals to get birds.
Granted if they wait and release it a couple years down the line, as you said there is a good chance to get a new crowd. Maybe even bring back people from the first game. So I don’t think we will see a sequel or flying birds for awhile.
Going off of this ..
I don't think it would make business sense to have a Planet Zoo 2 with all existing animals of Planet Zoo 1 thrown in as a base or initial DLC version without the hefty price tag.
However, if this possible Planet Zoo 2 had plenty that is new - say, flying birds - small aquariums, the ability to have multiple staff doors on habitats for those HUGE habitats we love to build but have problems with feeding and cleaning because of the one entry gate limitation improved graphics/animations etc and I am sure many other things that Planet Zoo 1 doesn't have, they could include the favourite mammals and insects from Planet Zoo 1 in the base game and then include the others over time in DLCs similar to PZ1.
Or thinking outside the box .. have Planet Zoo 1 items be compatible with Planet Zoo 2 so that the old DLCs will still have relevance in the new game. All dependant on how PZ2 would work.