Spring 2024 DLC Speculation

[oca2074]

I hope you know that furthers @Iben 's last point. Each person finds different value in different animals.

Again, people should be allowed to argue over which set of standards they think are better in order to persuade the other person or others and people shouldn’t interfere with their right to speak. No one has to respond to them, including the person they are replying to. But criticising them for just speaking is the norm in this forum. So is banning them. Butting in and stopping any conversation over "standards" to "protect the vulnerable" is everyone's duty.

For example, the Asiatic Lion is not really a separate sub-specie of lion as recent research has shown that the common African and Asiatic lion are the same sub-specie. So unless the current West African Lion is renamed as the Cape Lion (extremely uncommon in captivity), we are going against the science here. Btw, zoos that talk about their Asiatic Lions having “conservation value” are lying to you. They are merely trying to justify their keeping lions to the zoo-sceptic crowd. In reality, a vast majority of zoo-born animals are genetic hybrids which would pollute the genome of the wild animals if we were to release them.

Walrus is not common in captivity, true, and this may be a point against them. However, I’d note many animals not common in captivity have been added. And Walrus is a top 20 zoo animal in terms of surveys of what animals people want to see at zoos. The only other animals from the below list not in the game are fully aquatic animals.

So go ahead and criticise/ban me.

 

[jcp011c]

Tree houses!
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Many of us have been waiting for a horizontal wood set for ages.

Yes we certainly have! This would be great to have

 

[Captain Callum]

Again, people should be allowed to argue over which set of standards they think are better in order to persuade the other person or others and people shouldn’t interfere with their right to speak. No one has to respond to them, including the person they are replying to. But criticising them for just speaking is the norm in this forum. So is banning them. Butting in and stopping any conversation over "standards" to "protect the vulnerable" is everyone's duty.

For example, the Asiatic Lion is not really a separate sub-specie of lion as recent research has shown that the common African and Asiatic lion are the same sub-specie. So unless the current West African Lion is renamed as the Cape Lion (extremely uncommon in captivity), we are going against the science here. Btw, zoos that talk about their Asiatic Lions having “conservation value” are lying to you. They are merely trying to justify their keeping lions to the zoo-sceptic crowd. In reality, a vast majority of zoo-born animals are genetic hybrids which would pollute the genome of the wild animals if we were to release them.

Walrus is not common in captivity, true, and this may be a point against them. However, I’d note many animals not common in captivity have been added. And Walrus is a top 20 zoo animal in terms of surveys of what animals people want to see at zoos. The only other animals from the below list not in the game are fully aquatic animals.

So go ahead and criticise/ban me.

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Honestly I don't care about the asiatic lion or walrus matter, same with whether an animal is common in captivity or not. What my point is, that everyone should be allowed to want animals regardless of the community's preference. Sure we can disagree, debate or just ignore a person's wants but openly mocking and laughing at people for wanting an animal is seriously not how we should be reacting.

And I'm not reading that chart, there is nothing more annoying on the forum than a "um acktually" chart to prove how popular a animal is supposed to be. So what? If iben wants a asiatic lion, good for them, If fossa wants a shoebill, also good for them. Do I want either? No but I'm not going to search the Internet for a chart to prove their those additions are pointless because some chart says so.

 

[Swjosdotschka]

I want an asiatic lion because it gives us the chance for an actually good Lion Model looking at how Frontier has come. And updating the current one would be wonderful, but the resources (and that includes money) have to come from somewhere.
And I want a Walrus because for the longest time in my childhood it was kind of an iconic animal here in north germany, as our city zoo had Walrusses for a loooong time and now has them again.
Reasons don't have to be fact based. They don't even have to be reasons and can just be wants. The gate keeping about animals really should be hold at bay. I mean, certainly I wouldn't be happy with the snub nosed monkey over a more common in captivity primate / monkey, but insulting or mocking people for their wishes should not be part of this community, that started as peaceful and welcoming.

There is a huge diffrerence between voicing an opinion and attacking others.

 

[TheDuckKnight]

Okay...without trying to sound like an obnoxious, "WELL ACKUALLY" dork but isn't the West African Lion THE Asiatic Lion - like they're the same subspecies?
I'm awful at taxonomy so I could be extremely wrong.

 

[Eletan888]

Okay...without trying to sound like an obnoxious, "WELL ACKUALLY" dork but isn't the West African Lion THE Asiatic Lion - like they're the same subspecies?
I'm awful at taxonomy so I could be extremely wrong.

Yes, they are the same subspecies, the Northern lion, but are separate populations within the subspecies. It's a similar situation to the relationship between Siberian and Bengal tigers.

 

[Antimony96]

Walrus is not common in captivity, true, and this may be a point against them. However, I’d note many animals not common in captivity have been added. And Walrus is a top 20 zoo animal in terms of surveys of what animals people want to see at zoos. The only other animals from the below list not in the game are fully aquatic animals.

So go ahead and criticise/ban me.

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Genuinely curious--where is this survey from, and who is it surveying?

 

[synthetase]

Even what the majority of people want is not objective all the time. Sometimes people never think for themselves... Like the shoebill, I doubt its anyone's most favorite animal yet because of the hivemind everyone wants it...

 

[ElectricMonk]

Again, people should be allowed to argue over which set of standards they think are better in order to persuade the other person or others ...

Nobody has, at any stage, in any way suggested or implied that you or anyone else should not be "allowed" to argue about that or anything else (within the constraints of the board's rules).

and people shouldn’t interfere with their right to speak.

No one has interfered with your right to speak, or anyone elses. Even if they wanted to they couldn't.

No one has to respond to them, including the person they are replying to.

No one has to respond but anyone can if they want to.

But criticising them for just speaking is the norm in this forum.

No. Making an alternative point is the norm on this forum.

So is banning them....

No one can ban anyone else, nor has anyone tried to.

Butting in and stopping any conversation over "standards" to "protect the vulnerable" is everyone's duty.

Huh? Who are these vulnerable people you're 'protecting'? Who are you protecting them from? What standards are you applying?

For example, the Asiatic Lion is not really a separate sub-specie of lion as recent research has shown that the common African and Asiatic lion are the same sub-specie. So unless the current West African Lion is renamed as the Cape Lion (extremely uncommon in captivity), we are going against the science here. Btw, zoos that talk about their Asiatic Lions having “conservation value” are lying to you. They are merely trying to justify their keeping lions to the zoo-sceptic crowd. In reality, a vast majority of zoo-born animals are genetic hybrids which would pollute the genome of the wild animals if we were to release them.

Populations within subspecies also have conservation value. For example (in-game) the Queensland Koala is not a subspecies, its a population. Nevertheless, the population has real conservation value.

Walrus is not common in captivity, true, and this may be a point against them. However, I’d note many animals not common in captivity have been added. And Walrus is a top 20 zoo animal in terms of surveys of what animals people want to see at zoos. The only other animals from the below list not in the game are fully aquatic animals.

What's the source of these surveys? - Wherever they're from, the results of what other people want in the game doesn't require that anyone else should want them.

So go ahead and criticise/ban me.

Again, no one wants to ban you and no one could, even if they wanted to (with the exception of the mods, who would only do so if you seriously broke the forum's rules). Someone expressing a different opinion from yours or criticising your arguments is completely reasonable (this is, after all, a forum - a place for discussion) and anyone doing so is not, in any way, an attempt to silence you, ban you or attack you any more than you expressing that your opinion is different from theirs constitutes you trying to ban them.

 

[HunterIsCookie]

Even what the majority of people want is not objective all the time. Sometimes people never think for themselves... Like the shoebill, I doubt its anyone's most favorite animal yet because of the hivemind everyone wants it...

I like the shoebill as an option just because it's generally neat. I'm not really a fan of attributing a group of people wanting an animal that you don't as a "hive mind", thanks.

 

[CharlieXGaming]

(None of the art below is real and it says not official in posters)

Anyway back to actual spring dlc speculation, I’m just gonna leave this here and say that the next pack will be one of these 3 packs, just because they make the most sense (in order of most possible):

We’ve gotten 4 continental covers in the last 3 packs, we only have 2 left, and while I know people are dying for LA rep, I think it waits until summer for a full animal pack plus I don’t think they would switch the schedule of scenery-animal-scenery-animal just for LA cause to me that seems silly. NA is in need of a scenery set and a couple missing additions like ABB and Walrus, so I see this as the perfect opportunity for either a boreal or coastal pack.

 

[Milurian]

For example, the Asiatic Lion is not really a separate sub-specie of lion as recent research has shown that the common African and Asiatic lion are the same sub-specie. So unless the current West African Lion is renamed as the Cape Lion (extremely uncommon in captivity), we are going against the science here. Btw, zoos that talk about their Asiatic Lions having “conservation value” are lying to you. They are merely trying to justify their keeping lions to the zoo-sceptic crowd. In reality, a vast majority of zoo-born animals are genetic hybrids which would pollute the genome of the wild animals if we were to release them.

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I am curious as to where this survey was taken from because there are some strange results here like the fact the bonobo are on here.
Also asian lions do inherently have conservation value not because of the genetic quality of captive bred individuals but as education tools . Educating people about the lion and that it is still alive in asia is important as it can bring awareness and funding to conservation effort for the lion.

Populations within subspecies also have conservation value. For example (in-game) the Queensland Koala is not a subspecies, its a population. Nevertheless, the population has real conservation value.

Is the queensland koala not a distinct subspecies thought it was.

I agree that sometimes populations have inherent conservation value even if the arent distinct subspecies the asiatic lion is a great example of this. The are they only group of lions outside of africa so are incredibly important to bring awareness to to educate people about the lions former range and the range of climates and biomes it inhabits.

I would also like to point out this sort of confusion is exactly why im against them adding subspecies to the game over species because subspecies are very hard to define and are often change rapidly. The basal species will always be better for future proofing the game this does not mean that I think subspecies arent important to conservation and zoos just that they change too much for the game to use them without constantly being outdate which it already is or some species.

 

[Fossa]

Lol people say other people have a hive mind for wanting the shoebill, I think the realistic lover group has a hive mind for clones like almost copypaste lions, zebras and flamingo, especially when there are better options around. It is also the same group that always gives likes to each other when they post, like a true hive mind

And they should just mention the asia lion in the African lions bio, solved. Update the model while you are at it.

 

[HunterIsCookie]

Lol people say other people have a hive mind for wanting the shoebill, I think the realistic lover group has a hive mind for clones like almost copypaste lions, zebras and flamingo, especially when there are better options around. It is also the same group that always gives likes to each other when they post, like a true hive mind

It's almost like the argument of hive minds can go either way. Both ways it's wrong though and we need to stop using it because it's unconstructive and is just meant to tear other people down over pixel animals. Be civil, it's not that hard.

 

[Swjosdotschka]

It's almost like the argument of hive minds can go either way. Both ways it's wrong though and we need to stop using it because it's unconstructive and is just meant to tear other people down over pixel animals. Be civil, it's not that hard.

Truth. It's a derogative term and there is no reason to devalue other peopls wishes.

However, I do agree slightly that we got animals on the Meta wishlist where their ranking at least seems to be influenced by the PZ community influencing each other. That's not always a bad thing and at the end of the day it's a natural progress that will always happen. There are several factors that impact that phenomenon in my opinion.

• The more personal wishes are fullfilled, the more player X has room to add wishes of others as their own.
• Sometimes we don't think of an animal as needed until we see it on other peoples lists. Happened to me several times, especially in the later stages, when the fact above became more and more true.
• Very rarely (but it does happen) you believe you NEED an animal, just because you hear it repeat often enough. Or loud enough. Loud enough is the more common thing here.

What I find way more interesting though lately is, how little the animals we then get from the meta wishlist are appreciated. The wishes for the wolverines were LOUD, now I see very few people build for them. I get that players on here might not be at that point with their projects (I get that, I get that *sad mane wold sounds) but even content creators touch it much yet.

Same with the Swan.I don't remember if it was high on the list, but I DO remember the constant "WE NEED MORE BIRDS!". Which was true and is true probably, especially for flying birds, but we got 3 new birds last year and I see basically no appreciation for them outside of the eurasia animal pack thread and here I am, being super happy about the swan (while never have felt the urge to want it) and am wondering, where all those beautiful swan builds are...

I think everytime we get heated about what we WANT (and others don't) and we feel personally attacked, could be a good oppurtunity to pause and appreciate what we HAVE.

I'm not excluding myself here. Next time I whine about us needing more primates, I should probably use the ones more we actually have a lot more. And please, all you shoebill lovers that feel easily attack: I'm happy for more swan, emu, ostrich, cassowary build for inspiration, thank you.

Ever questioned wheather what animal Frontier adds is not only based on the meta wishlist and workinvestment, but also by statistics of what players actually use in game?

 

[The Carcharodontogenius]

the Cape Lion (extremely uncommon in captivity)

Isn't that extinct?

 

[synthetase]

It's almost like the argument of hive minds can go either way. Both ways it's wrong though and we need to stop using it because it's unconstructive and is just meant to tear other people down over pixel animals. Be civil, it's not that hard.

Truth. It's a derogative term and there is no reason to devalue other peopls wishes.

However, I do agree slightly that we got animals on the Meta wishlist where their ranking at least seems to be influenced by the PZ community influencing each other. That's not always a bad thing and at the end of the day it's a natural progress that will always happen. There are several factors that impact that phenomenon in my opinion.

• The more personal wishes are fullfilled, the more player X has room to add wishes of others as their own.
• Sometimes we don't think of an animal as needed until we see it on other peoples lists. Happened to me several times, especially in the later stages, when the fact above became more and more true.
• Very rarely (but it does happen) you believe you NEED an animal, just because you hear it repeat often enough. Or loud enough. Loud enough is the more common thing here.

What I find way more interesting though lately is, how little the animals we then get from the meta wishlist are appreciated. The wishes for the wolverines were LOUD, now I see very few people build for them. I get that players on here might not be at that point with their projects (I get that, I get that *sad mane wold sounds) but even content creators touch it much yet.

Same with the Swan.I don't remember if it was high on the list, but I DO remember the constant "WE NEED MORE BIRDS!". Which was true and is true probably, especially for flying birds, but we got 3 new birds last year and I see basically no appreciation for them outside of the eurasia animal pack thread and here I am, being super happy about the swan (while never have felt the urge to want it) and am wondering, where all those beautiful swan builds are...

I think everytime we get heated about what we WANT (and others don't) and we feel personally attacked, could be a good oppurtunity to pause and appreciate what we HAVE.

I'm not excluding myself here. Next time I whine about us needing more primates, I should probably use the ones more we actually have a lot more. And please, all you shoebill lovers that feel easily attack: I'm happy for more swan, emu, ostrich, cassowary build for inspiration, thank you.

Ever questioned wheather what animal Frontier adds is not only based on the meta wishlist and workinvestment, but also by statistics of what players actually use in game?

You're right. I'm sorry I said "hivemind." It was too harsh!

 

[Bearcat9948]

@Leaf Productions I heard that, similar to the licensing with PC/Ghost Busters, the next Planet Zoo update will be the Restaurant Brand update. Options include Chili's (baby back ribs), Applebee's (burger and shake) and Mr Beast BurgerKitchen.

I was told this by my Uncle Joe "P.Z." Frontier

 

[Leaf Productions]

that would be so slay

 

[Aramar]

I don't know where to put this, but I just learned that zootierliste now lists zoos from all over the world! That's going to be very useful for us to check which animals are more common in each continent and help us thinking of future DLCs! It still needs to update a lot of information, but this is a great start!

An example with the koala:

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