Do what I do these days, I had a few high profile projects leave my fingers burnt (this was the last large project I put any real money into, ha ha ha, more fool me) and as a result now I am going back to basics and getting involved with much smaller projects, ones with modest goals, and with smaller numbers of people involved, both at a developer and community level. Aim simple, don't get swept up in unrealistic hype, and look for things that appeal to you personally, I've found that way I've made some friends along the way, and I've learnt far more and had the chance to provide more meaningful input and feedback than I possibly could have done in a project of this magnitude.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Do what I do these days, I had a few high profile projects leave my fingers burnt (this was the last large project I put any real money into, ha ha ha, more fool me) and as a result now I am going back to basics and getting involved with much smaller projects, ones with modest goals, and with smaller numbers of people involved, both at a developer and community level. Aim simple, don't get swept up in unrealistic hype, and look for things that appeal to you personally, I've found that way I've made some friends along the way, and I've learnt far more and had the chance to provide more meaningful input and feedback than I possibly could have done in a project of this magnitude.
This thread is such a nice example of how welcoming is this community to new people and the saying "The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of the Few".
He actually says "the evolving galaxy". Not the "central galaxy". The galaxy is generated locally, and data is fed to it from the galaxy server.
Nobody ever expected (or even asked for) you to be able to take your character in both directions - online<->offline. That would be stupid... and far too open to abuse anyway.
I have not previously posted because what I would say has already been said, until now.
Bought in during the Beta because the STORE page stated that the game would feature Single
Player Offline. Paid $75, more than I have ever spent on a game. After reading that Frontier
would renege on their word I promptly submitted a ticket for a refund. Refund Denied. I have
absolutely no interest in renting an MMO game for $75, I enjoy playing games by myself. I feel
like I have been robbed and kicked in the gut by a bandit wearing a Frontier T-shirt. $75 gone
and still experiencing a stomach ache. I have promptly removed this lie from my hard disk.
To all the players I wish fair winds and following seas. To the liars and thieves at Frontier
I wish nothing but the highest ill.
Bought in during the Beta because the STORE page stated that the game would feature Single
Player Offline. Paid $75, more than I have ever spent on a game. After reading that Frontier
would renege on their word I promptly submitted a ticket for a refund. Refund Denied. I have
absolutely no interest in renting an MMO game for $75, I enjoy playing games by myself. I feel
like I have been robbed and kicked in the gut by a bandit wearing a Frontier T-shirt. $75 gone
and still experiencing a stomach ache. I have promptly removed this lie from my hard disk.
To all the players I wish fair winds and following seas. To the liars and thieves at Frontier
I wish nothing but the highest ill.
They shoul'd release "crap" at least for the reason some of that fans demands that. They shoul'd clearly state that offline can be simply considered as a trainer or reduced version of the game when no connection is available and that full experience is only possible online. And maybe, these players after being bored for playing offline for sometime woul'd eventually turn to "exciting" and dynamic multiplayer. And that is a win-win situation for everyone. And that woul'd not put everyone in this unpleasant situation.
You keep insinuatinng that the company will fold any moment, and casting doubt towards DBs intentions. If anything is endangering the future, it's this destructive stubborness.
How many times do you plan to repeat your message of doom, and your cries of breach of trust? Why did you speak in such a different tone when you actually had a chance to interact with DB, yet slid back to this right afterwards? I'm not impressed at your conduct at all
Frontier have behaved with astonishing patience. You guys... not so much.
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now an answer to all of you Phoney Forumites :
the game is based in a central server. they never created [yet] the game "based on-your-computer" . they can do it tho. i dont see it hard. maybe they dont have the funds for it... so they will only deliver what they have done. but it cant be hard. they just have to act the client computer as the machine running the entire game, instead of having the game runned on a server, while other parts followed on clients pcs.
edit: thank you Juniper for your prompt reply.
the game is based in a central server. they never created [yet] the game "based on-your-computer" . they can do it tho. i dont see it hard. maybe they dont have the funds for it... so they will only deliver what they have done. but it cant be hard. they just have to act the client computer as the machine running the entire game, instead of having the game runned on a server, while other parts followed on clients pcs.
edit: thank you Juniper for your prompt reply.
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It probably shouldn't have had the Elite name in it at all then, to be honest. Except, maybe, Elite: Online. At least then it could have been argued the intent wasn't to deliberately deceive.
Adept, the problem is, you see, to a degree, what you want to see, as do those who are affected and hurt by the offline decision, there can be 5 posts in nearly 9000 that talk about DDOS attacks, and you will focus on that, there can be some wannabe lawyers threatening this, that and the other in 10 posts out of 9000 and you will focus on that, there will be some posts stating that DB 'lied' and you will focus on that. The problem is it is all smoke and mirrors and detracts form the actual issue, now, yes, the issue has been 'done to death' and there is not a lot more to be said, however, the thread and therefore the issue is, to some degree at least, being extended by people going 'hey look over here, 0.01% of this thread want FD to fold', when in fact, dropping offline is the issue. My position is laid out, (unaffected but sympathetic), and I have tried to resist reposting in this thread because I am about to contradict myself - if it has run it's course, if you have expressed your views, (whichever side of the fence), then stop bumping the thread.
My god, half the people calling for this thread, (and others to be closed, shut down, 'thread ignored' are the very ones bumping it by telling people to 'get over it', to 'not ruin it for the rest of us' and the like. If those unaffected and unsympathetic to the cause would stop posting and baiting this thread would have half as many posts and be halfway down the page most of the day.
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If they can do that then they can do it on launch and release it to those of us that want the offline mode can't they.
To be honest, those of you saying that this is not a big deal clearly do not understand.
We are all fans of Elite and there are bound to be mixed feelings. But we are part of the whole just like you on-liners are too.
Without us the whole Elite experience is a non-starter.
They have single headedly killed off the nostalgic element to the game in one foul swoop.
What we need is a pressure group to make them change their minds.
By the looks of that thread, not a lot of people walked away from that one with their dignity in tact, lol
No, Frontier have behaved with astonishing corporate cynicsm. They've not communicated meaningfully save for David doing a puff piece where he got to sell more dreams of the future and explain that his decision was predominantly creative and not technical (fair enough), however any ointment on the wound was quickly undone by the way FDEV has been acting with the refund process.
A smaller faction is saying "I didn't get what I wanted, ... etc. etc." What's the difference?
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the kickstarter page wasnt so clear , some people might think , as to what exactly there will be in game and such, but the mind of DB and devs were clear on this.
i can skim around the KS page and see infos that are still relevant , like there will be mining in game, different stations, etc etc.
that also was very clear
i can skim around the KS page and see infos that are still relevant , like there will be mining in game, different stations, etc etc.
that also was very clear
David explained his thinking on this. A 'client running the whole game' solution will be hacked within hours of release - and the hackers will no doubt publish the locations of every earth-like planet in the galaxy, and assorted other valuable locations. Spoiling the game for everyone. The alternative is that Frontier build a separate galaxy definition for the offline-only game, and that runs into the objection that Frontier don't have the resources to develop two separate games. David's answer seems reasonable enough to me.
Seems utterly reasonable.
Ever wonder why on planet Earth millions, including children, die every year due to starvation and perfectly curable diseases?
"My fridge is full and I'm in perfect health, so why should I care? I mean sure, I feel sorry for those guys but hey, it's not my problem. And besides, who ever said everyone should have right to food, water and medical care, right?"
But please, do feel free to keep up with that lovely attitude. It's doing us all a world of good, yourself included of course.
True, till they figured out, ultimately, that they couldn't do it. Welcome to the land of Beta and development. Note the web site is also in Beta and subject to change.
As I said earlier on this, David Braben is the co-creator of Elite. He's a hero to me. I won't abuse him no matter what.
I find his company's recent actions morally reprehensible, but that's not the same thing.
I also was well aware that a) the mods were all over that thread like a rash and b) watching very carefully to ensure that nobody said anything inflammatory. People did of course, and had their posts swiftly deleted. So rather than re-hash what is already here, I kept largely schtum. His answers seemed on the face of it to be good, and it was only later when I thought about it (and saw that others were being blanketly refused refunds at the same time as the AMA was distracting everyone) that I thought that maybe this is still not quite right here.
I'll have a chance to "interact" with DB on Saturday at the launch party, and I'll see what he has to say there too.
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