Oh, I get it now. Minorities should always get what they want! Other people have to stand aside while the minorities roll up and take the best of life, or they'll campaign and make you look like a racist (despite the fact we have one earth to share) and the rest should just roll over and let them, despite actually all being in the same group, all having one head and (mostly) two legs and two arms, a heart, feelings. I understand now. Thank's for sorting that out for me. I'm so grateful. Your a genius, Jam...
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Oh, I get it now. Minorities should always get what they want! Other people have to stand aside while the minorities roll up and take the best of life, or they'll campaign and make you look like a racist (despite the fact we have one earth to share) and the rest should just roll over and let them, despite actually all being in the same group, all having one head and (mostly) two legs and two arms, a heart, feelings. I understand now. Thank's for sorting that out for me. I'm so grateful. Your a genius, Jam...
You can't encrypt data from a Client that needs access to that data, can you?
"Subject to your compliance with these Conditions of Use and applicable Service Terms and your payment of any applicable fees, Frontier Developments or its content providers grant you a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, non-sublicensable licence to access and make personal and non-commercial use of the Frontier Developments Services. This licence does not include any resale or commercial use of any Frontier Developments Service or its contents; any collection and use of any product listings, descriptions, or prices; any derivative use of any Frontier Developments Service or its contents; any downloading or copying of account information for the benefit of another merchant; or any use of data mining, robots, or similar data gathering and extraction tools."
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" If you use any Frontier Developments Service you are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your account and password and for restricting access to your computer, and to the extent permitted by applicable law you agree to accept responsibility for all activities that occur under your account or password. You should take all necessary steps to ensure that the password is kept confidential and secure and should inform us immediately if you have any reason to believe that your password has become known to anyone else, or if the password is being, or is likely to be used in an unauthorised manner. You are responsible for ensuring that the details you provide us with are correct and complete, and for informing us of any changes to the information you have provided. You can access and update much of the information you have provided us with, including your account settings, in the My Account area of the website."
Translation - No. No you cannot. Standard MMO boilerplate "Do not hand your account to anyone else or we will ban the account".
I disagree they have behaved with astonishing corporate cynicism. How is a company dealing with thousands of financial transactions supposed to apply a "Wee local corner shop" mentality to the refunds process? By this I mean the owner knows you personally, knows your family, knows your story etc.... and can trust when you come in for a refund it's for all the right reasons?
Even my comparison above is not fair on Frontier as it describes getting a refund for a bought product, which is not the case here. If you think people are getting a refund for a product they ordered, they are not (in fact people in that situation are getting a refund I believe and quite rightly so). Backers did not order a product. They helped fund an idea to get brought to reality in the best way the maker could do it.
I really do feel for the people whose decision to back ED hinged on playing it offline but, and this is harsh I admit, they should not have backed it if it was that black and white for them or at the very least realised they were taking a risk hinging it all on one feature being present. They made a mistake too, not just Frontier in putting it on the feature list in the first place.
In the world of the "local grocer" market then maybe John could go speak to Jimmy and explain his situation and how he made a mistake and now has something that is useless to him. John knows and trusts Jimmy and feels for him and returns his money. Doesn't transcribe to faceless people asking for an electronic refund for a product let alone a refund for backing a vision. T&Cs absolutely must be followed in this situation or the whole thing descends into an utter mess (yes worse than the one we have here).
Having worked on several MMO and games I can say it is VERY common that you often try and try to get something to work the way you want to and at some point as you get near release you sit in a meeting and say, "We failed on that section people, we can't figure out how to do what we wanted to. This sucks. They're gonna be mad. Well, let's get on with the rest." I suspect they realized they were beating a dead horse (much like this thread
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Can anyone else guess when and why the big dip in share price for FD occurred?
The rewards mention delivery of the game. The game is made up of the "advertising" blurb on the left (otherwise they could deliver tetris!), the section you have missed is in the FAQ under "How will single player work? Will I need to connect to a server to play?"
Sorry, please repeat your message after the tone......beep..........
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Minorities, as well as majorities, should always get what they paid for.
We don't want to take anything from you. We want what we were repeatedly reassured we would be getting, or our money back. We have absolutely no interest in you and your gaming experience either way.
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If you had Offline mode, there would be None Player Actors changing the markets, making discoveries, etc. Take this to Solo mode, how do you detect whether the change is brought on by NPAs or other Players? Given the size and scope of the universe, NP vs Players is still going to be a ratio. My guess is that you would have to do some serious coordinated moves in order to make big effects...
Duh, what do you think we are trying...
Should we rejoice? I don't think so.Can anyone else guess when and why the big dip in share price for FD occurred?
Wow that graph makes 8.5 look big......
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What utter rubbish.
If the company goes under, or something happens that means the servers will go, dumping their server code to a public repo does not equate to developing a solo version of the game.
A couple of things being spammed on the server that I take issue with:
1) "A online only game won't be playable in the future, unlike the original Elite release. OMFG RETRO!"
Cobblers.
To start off with, probably 99.9% of people who have played Elite in the last 5 years have done so via an emulator. If I found the tape of my copy, I wouldn't be able to play it, it's on a dead medium, for a dead system. When the game was released for the 30th, Frontier didn't buy a pile of BBC micro's off Ebay, people are playing it via emulation. And we can be pretty sure that anyone playing an offline version of ED (if one had been made) 30 years in the future, it would have been via emulation.
If they keep their word and the game server will be released, then the whole retro argument is null, but even if that doesn't happen then someone will write an emulator for the server, so it's a pointless argument anyway.
I used to play a popular MMO that went off the rails and was shut down, someone broke the encryption, I wrote a server. It wasn't very hard, and a version ported to Java still exists out there with people playing on it. If the game is any good and worth playing, people will find a way to do so.
An empty server is easy, the complication is content and that takes me on to:
2) "Offline gaem is just a couple of code changes"
A fundamental point in all this, is that no offline means that nobody but Frontier has access to the database. This is a good thing. A very good thing. And if it means a few people who live on atolls with no internet can't play the game then so be it.
If there was an offline game then that means that the great unwashed would have a local copy of the db, and 10 seconds later people would be digging through the contents. Elite isn't a shooter, it's about exploration, you can't discover anything when it's been dumped and stuck on a website somewhere.
Presumably a lot of effort is currently going into seeding the db with super exciting content, so the only way to protect the online game would be to have a separate db for offline play without the fun stuff. That's fragmentation. That's a bad thing. Somebody going to SOL having a different experience depending which version of the game is played? It's understandable that Frontier don't want anything to do with that.
Wow. Yeah. Cool. Minorities should never get what they want. Sound reasoning. I love you, brother man. Quit your whining. Universities are only for us. Police response? yup. Faster for me. Stop whining. etc. etc.
God, every time I quit back to lurking, some weird reasoning crops up and makes this thread back into an ugly, ugly place. Will you all take the time to read the whole thing before commenting? Can we agree to this? Can this be a thing? Seriously. I HAVE READ THE WHOLE THREAD SO I AM ALLOWED TO COMMENT kind of deal.
Love this. love this so much. It's just perfect.
So I can't even sell my physical collectors edition? This keeps getting better...
I know that very well. That part was probably what was made most abundantly clear in the chunk of this thread that I did read
I dont think me or anyone can really add anything of value on that specific subject however. Both sides of the argument have good and valid points and none of them are 100% wrong.
Those who hate the change will correctly argue that that one feature was a major if not the only reason for pledging. Those who want to defend will also correctly argue that pledging isnt the same as buying, things are subject to change.
Kickstarter is a great initiative but not without its dangerous. As ugly as this may seem to people, not delivering all that was intended (I wouldnt really call it promised) isnt the worst that can happen to a kickstarter. There are example of funded projects that ended up being scrapped before they delivered the actual project/game. Clang is one example that comes to mind. Sadly it doesnt always work out. People on that project are asking for refunds and who can blame them essentially they have nothing to show for the money they spend except for a prototype that the devs themselves claim was not fun to play at all. That being said how can they be refunded? People go to kickstarter to get money in order to be able to develop an idea. That money is spent developing that idea. It fails because they run out of money and can thus no longer try to improve it which leaves 0 money for refunding much less all of it.
I am not telling people what to do ofcourse, thats not my or anyone else place. I just think being angry or telling people they have no legal standing to be angry on isnt really productive. Suggestions that might lead to a solution on the other hand ... who knows that might lead to somewhere!
Sorry, my bad - I thought it was a post in this forum, but on checking I realise it's actually in an interview for an article in a gaming website/magazine that has not actually been published yet. I'll post the link as soon as it's made public.
Sorry for the leak; it was an honest mistake!
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