No Single Player offline Mode then?

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jamotide

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Mecha said:
It seems that it is you that doesn't understand what "DRM free" means.

The software client I am currently writing is DRM free. I have a number of options to add DRM, from USB dongles, to signed files - it has none of these, therefore it is DRM free. Anybody can copy it and install it on a computer.

It does however need to talk to my server to be able to function. This isn't DRM.
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Not yet, but if it needs user authentication, then yeah that is DRM. What is so hard to understand about that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Always-on_DRM
 

ramentu

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Uridium said:
Go to any game modding site and you will see a huge amount of "Nude Chicks Mod" or "Big Mellons Mod" or "God Mode Cheats Mod".... are you really surprised that David was worried about allowing modding.
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Irrelevant.
There may be good reasons to disable offline mode.
I don't know.
But either way it is the developper right to alter his game as he see fit.
However, it was poorly done.
Far too late in the process, badly announced and with no compensation for those who ordered the game expecting an offline game but paid extra for also participating in the beta. 85 £ for a few hours of beta play and a game I won' t play doesn't make me happy.
 
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DarkWalker

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Robert Maynard said:
Therefore the lack of DRM mentioned in the "Physical DRM-free boxed set" must then be relating to the lack of DRM on the disc in the box rather than the lack of the need to authenticate with an online account / server as it goes on to specifically mention the online account.
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Ever stopped to think that, if FD relies on the interpretation you are giving to twist out of what people understand DRM-free to be, they would be basically weaseling their way out of an obligation and lowering themselves to the level of common con artists everywhere?

And that many of us would not want to have any dealings with a company that lowers itself like that?
 

mbpoblet

mbpoblet
Aldric said:
I am lucky, i know 10 people (actually more than that but not all play computer games) and none the people that are going to play ED are interested in a pure offline mode, the people that i know are outgoing people that dont want to shut themselves away from the world, but for those that do want to do that i hope you get this problem sorted out.
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littleminxundr said:
people with families and have careers that keep them on the go
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just "want to shut themselves away from the world".

Riiiight.

Do people even [REDACTING] read what they're answering to!? (Or what they themselves write, for that matter, before posting!?)

And then they wonder why some of us want to shut ourselves away from the world (or rather the world away from us).

Sigh. :(
 

pantbash

pantbash
jamotide said:
Not yet, but if it needs user authentication, then yeah that is DRM. What is so hard to understand about that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Always-on_DRM
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The auth is not specifically for DRM, it is an integral part of the game, trades, mission, exploring etc etc.
Always on DRM is for games that have absolutely no requirement to be connected to the net, but requiring the login to play the local content.

Stop trying to confuse matters.
 

Pyelot

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jamotide said:
Read the terms:
https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use?ref=footer


At the same time, backers must understand that when they back a project, they’re helping to create something new — not ordering something that already exists. There may be changes or delays, and there’s a chance something could happen that prevents the creator from being able to finish the project as promised.
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.....Judge that Mr Magistrate.
 
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Dave Leestir

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Mecha said:
It seems that it is you that doesn't understand what "DRM free" means.

The software client I am currently writing is DRM free. I have a number of options to add DRM, from USB dongles, to signed files - it has none of these, therefore it is DRM free. Anybody can copy it and install it on a computer.

It does however need to talk to my server to be able to function. This isn't DRM.

This is DRM:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

A copy of Filezilla doesn't have DRM. It is however useless unless you have a FTP server to connect to.

What part of DRM do YOU not understand?
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So when I start up Filezilla (or your own software client, if/when it's finished and released) am I limited to connecting to Frontier's E: D servers only?

Conversely, when I start my E: D client, can I connect to any server anywhere?
 

Mecha

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Dave Leestir said:
So when I start up Filezilla (or your own software client, if/when it's finished and released) am I limited to connecting to Frontier's E: D servers only?

Conversely, when I start my E: D client, can I connect to any server anywhere?
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Yes, you would only be able to connect to my server as there is only one server in existence than can service the clients requests. That doesn't mean that the client has DRM.
 

CMDR Sheehy

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Mecha said:
Yes, you would only be able to connect to my server as there is only one server in existence than can service the clients requests. That doesn't mean that the client has DRM.
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Well, technically, you might be able to get it to talk to any server you want. But will it speak the same language, and will you find a playable universe on the other side.
 

Dave Leestir

Dave Leestir
Mecha said:
Yes, you would only be able to connect to my server as there is only one server in existence than can service the clients requests. That doesn't mean that the client has DRM.
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You have answered a question which I didn't ask. Can you answer either of my questions?
 

Dave Leestir

Dave Leestir
anthonycsheehy said:
Well, technically, you might be able to get it to talk to any server you want. But will it speak the same language, and will you find a playable universe on the other side.
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Exactly - I think that's described as a lock-in. Filezilla doesn't lock users in to a limited connection to a server which the user didn't choose.
 

jamotide

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pantbash said:
The auth is not specifically for DRM, it is an integral part of the game, trades, mission, exploring etc etc.
Always on DRM is for games that have absolutely no requirement to be connected to the net, but requiring the login to play the local content.

Stop trying to confuse matters.
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Nope, sorry, always on is DRM, if it requires authentication. If anyone could acess those integral parts of the game without an authenticated account, then it would be DRM free.
 

Polared

Polared
Robert Maynard said:
At the time of creating the boxed set pledge tier and DRM FAQ answer there was no offline game. Therefore the game is online, therefore not DRM free as it would require an online connection to play online.
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"Physical DRM-free boxed edition of "Elite: Dangerous" plus all rewards above (please note: the disc in the pack is simply an alternative way to install the game - it will have the same online account code whether installed off disc or downloaded digitally)."

how the offline would work was under discussion at the time, but

"Physical DRM-free" seems quite unambiguous to me! install the full game on my hard drive, without any DRM or authentication required if im playing single player offline.

"an alternative way to install the game" sounds like the full playable game on the disc to me and

"online account code" sounds like an authentication code to play the online version of the game, if i so choose, to me!

i think you'd have to do some pretty darn good linguistic gymnastics to convince me to understand anything else from that paragraph!
 
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