Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Phlegm

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McGlashan said:
Maybe it "got stale" after all. I can 100% imagine Roberts being the guy who thinks his job is to sit in an expensive private theatre by himself, or with his trusted inner circle of yes-men but certainly not the filthy rank and file artists and devs, and judge people's work. He probably does the thumb up/down Roman emperor thing.
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Fun historic fact: The emperor never actually gave a thumbs down, he simply closed his thumb to his fist, held sideways, instead of rotating the extended thumb upward.

In other news, Chris Roberts bears some resemblance to a human thumb.
 

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Isolated from the world lives the unrecognised auteur of Epos-class stories in his theatre.

What like Vladimir Harkonnen? Or is it more like Herr K. from a Kafka novel. Forever trying to get to the end boss? Yeah, SC development is like "Das Schloss".
 

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Found on interwebz :D

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HansAcker

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Phlegm said:
I'd go with "scheisse", personally.
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Compressed manure can pave paths to games never been done before.
Zyloh:
If there's one big takeaway you should have from our endeavor to be transparent, it's that we're not afraid to pave our own path. While we'll certainly reach significant milestones and major releases, our goal isn't to neatly wrap up our universe and declare it finished. The 'verse, with all its contents, will continually evolve and pioneer.
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What if this is all there is? - Star Citizen Spectrum

I had thought that the scary idea was the thought that SC would be in eternal alpha. I now realize the scary thought is that the way things are is "almost done". What if mining is, more-or-less,...
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HansAcker said:
Compressed manure can pave paths to games never been done before.

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What if this is all there is? - Star Citizen Spectrum

I had thought that the scary idea was the thought that SC would be in eternal alpha. I now realize the scary thought is that the way things are is "almost done". What if mining is, more-or-less,...
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I love it. "Der Weg ist ...." That's how you reinvent classics.
 

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Navigare Necesse Est said:
I love it. "Der Weg ist ...." That's how you reinvent classics.
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Spectrum - v7.46.7

RSI’s Spectrum is our integrated community and player interaction service, including chat, forums, game integration, and Player Organization facilities. Player Organizations (“Org”...
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The thing is Zyloh here is not even trying to comfort or refute the OP fears. He just pretty much confirms those by adding the tag line about the game continue being developed after launch.

CIG is attempting to normalize that SC was never meant to have all that has been sold to date.

"Everything you backed or paid for? Nah, we in fact never sold you that. That is just your imagination. But! if you are lucky and we feel generous we may work on it after we launch the game."
 

VR Golgot

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Lol, so they're still trying to morph body shape. And it's a whole world of pain :unsure:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsEKbJmtuW4&t=2400s

YT autotext said:
Jared:

A lot of questions about uh different body types, heights, sizes, muscle definition. We've had a lot of statements on this before uh in you know star's been in development for a while new technologies have come online stuff so it's a it's a question we tend to revisit uh periodically uh after a while. Wo what can you tell us now as the truth as of 2024, (we're in 2024!), about different body sizes shapes? Tall, short, skinny, not skinny? Uh what can you tell us? Why yes? why no? What's the scoop?

Andreas Rohr - Principal Technical Artist:

I guess I take that one. Okay so yeah regarding body customization uh it's simply a super hard problem to solve it's consists mainly of of two problems that I think we can like differentiate. Uh one is like body shape customization. So that's more about like being able to blend between a skinny type and a like heavy type and maybe like a super on steroids bodybuilder type. Um these kinds of shapes we could technically do this already with with the way the the DNA system works currently um the question is uh what happens with the attachments and like for the head customization we've developed uh runtime rap deformers we which can like scale helmets which can conform beards to the changing face shapes in a way that that keeps the art like intact and and keeps like the art directors happy no distortions and stuff like that that works on on the face the same deformation Tech applied to to bodies uh would break in in many cases so um while we can uh already uh morph the body shape we cannot conform the attachments in a in a good way right now so that's the the big problem one of the two big problems we need to solve for that and the other thing is um regarding like body height changes and limb length changes this is another super hard uh thing to do because that affects all animations in the game like if you imagine like a character holding holding like a a pistol or even even holding a mug and and moving moving that to his mouth to drink something um currently in the game we have like tens of thousands of animations that you have been Al authored with so-called like forward kinematic like every every bone in the skeleton defines its rotation over time and that's how the arm moves towards the mouth and then uh you get the impression that they drink something without spilling anything like imagine we just scaled like the length of the neck for instance or the length of the arm like your mug would end up somewhere else so you need at runtime retarget that animation and while we already use like inverse kinematics in many places characters pushing buttons reaching for things there's like a lot of procedural elements to our animation already like doing that for the entire body and for all animations requires like massive changes to to the like animation back end um but yeah we have all intentions to to tackle those problems uh but personally I I would I have some good ideas for how how we can fix the first problem about like the confirmation of the attachments and then we have like smart animation programmers uh Evo that I've been on stage with 2018 uh in Austin uh he's somebody that has a knowledge and the brains to to fix that hard uh retarget problem but it's it's going to be a lot of work but it'll be worth it because yeah everybody having the same height is not great but I think as a first step we could for instance tackle the just the shape changes which would already uh give us like some big gains because we kind of already do it with the head right like if if you're you know when we're in the DNA customizer and we make the head larger you're going to in the game you're going to put a helmet on well that helmet's not going anymore so the technical artists go in there and they mark up these assets um to be able to deform based on the deformation of the DNA head uh but then obviously there's not you know quite limited here and limited movement then you know introduce a whole body set um it's a lot of data that you're going to have to mark up and stuff like that so that's another one of the challenges but I think the head was kind of the first step you know a little bit and now we're moving into the the difficult part right yeah and that's also like body customization immediately has like implic implications on gameplay like when you have a larger character that's going to need like a larger like hit volume right I don't know I hope not all players will then like shrink themselves so maybe you want to balance that with like larger character the characters can run faster carry more stuff like that but it will affect a lot of systems once once it comes online yeah but like one more thing I'd like to add regarding like what the state of this is so initially like our DNA system which is the the system that allows us to morph the heads and the faces and conform the attachments um that was developed specifically for heads initially that was around 2018 2019 and we've then used it on heads like the system there were have been systems that have been built around that system so the code Mak making use of that that back end grew and grew and grew so at some point uh we already knew like we want to do we want to tackle bodies at some point uh but we have a system that is very bespoke to faces so I've worked for almost two years not not full-time but like halim on on a refactor of that DNA system with the goal of getting it to into a position where we can actually start tackling the the body customization problem so so that's been that was finished last year and there are other priorities like uh gene pool head extension and and giving us like 60 more heads and the rigging pipeline that needs to be set up and the tools around that in order to to even be able to create fully rigged nicely animating heads that also takes a lot of time so yeah it's it's a resource and priority issue
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Just saw him server crash constantly in less than 5 minutes then got incapacitated for no good reason and had to restart. Good news is recovery works even if it was only to crash again after a few seconds 🤷‍♂️ .

"Before we had bad servers, now we have bad shards, it is an upgrade!"

He stated that the server transition (the unloading/loading) was, as expected, through quantum. Never been done before.
 
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Wotthe Dickens

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VR Golgot said:
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Lol, so they're still trying to morph body shape. And it's a whole world of pain :unsure:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsEKbJmtuW4&t=2400s
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Yep, this old chestnut again - and on top of their difficulties in having to refactor their method of animation (and pipelines lol) don’t forget that their rigging is none industry standard and is a mess :)
Edit: I’m actually looking forward to what horrendous monstrosities we’ll see, on top of when they implement the new funky face designer- which works fine as stand alone but for sure won’t when implemented into the Frankenengine.
 
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