The great Oya sampling event begins - calling all interested CMDRs!

[Rock Hunter]

I’m curious, is this FDev changing the rules to suit the timeline they have in mind, changing the rules to give Cmdrs a ‘more fun’ Titan attack over the (UK school) Easter Holidays rather than more sampling or is this likely an ‘organic’ shift within the overall Titan/Thargoid behaviour?

I‘ve no doubt given myself away as someone with little (to zero) knowledge of all this. Then again, I love Astro Physics and could talk endlessly about the tiny amount I understand until I meet someone who actually knows about the subject and it becomes painfully apparent, again, just how little my mind actually grasps…so in that sense - I’m just doing my usual thing

 

[Ian Doncaster]

I’m curious, is this FDev changing the rules to suit the timeline they have in mind, changing the rules to give Cmdrs a ‘more fun’ Titan attack over the (UK school) Easter Holidays rather than more sampling or is this likely an ‘organic’ shift within the overall Titan/Thargoid behaviour?

It's unlikely to be an organic shift: there is a potential new rule that could cause it to only happen at Oya this week, but it's an implausible one. It breaks with so much precedent at once - at a time when the other five Titans behaved exactly normally - that it's almost certainly a deliberate "out-of-normal" step, in the same way that forcing a War state for a CG might be. (Even then it's very much a case of "if the Thargoids can do this, why didn't they do it before / every week / elsewhere as well this week?" )

Why really isn't clear - it might become a bit more obvious once Oya has been under attack a bit and how much damage it's practical to do at 7 Controls is better known, or maybe there'll be some Galnet article explaining it later today.

 

[Karmix]

It's unlikely to be an organic shift: there is a potential new rule that could cause it to only happen at Oya this week, but it's an implausible one. It breaks with so much precedent at once - at a time when the other five Titans behaved exactly normally - that it's almost certainly a deliberate "out-of-normal" step, in the same way that forcing a War state for a CG might be. (Even then it's very much a case of "if the Thargoids can do this, why didn't they do it before / every week / elsewhere as well this week?" )

Why really isn't clear - it might become a bit more obvious once Oya has been under attack a bit and how much damage it's practical to do at 7 Controls is better known, or maybe there'll be some Galnet article explaining it later today.

I’m not sure if this helps, but I thought I would post it anyway as you calculate your next move with Oya. As of this morning (here in NY) after reset, we are seeing the following:

(For testing comparisons, all runs were completed in solo with the same build, same vents hit and same percent done to the core.)

• For Leigong at its weakest, we could pull 6.17 mil in damage/bonds with 6 vents and 41% of the core destroyed solo.
• For Oya, same stats, build and run parameters, we are pulling 2.8 mil. Much more than last week, but still significantly less than the max potential when defenses are at their weakest.

The 2.8 mil number is about what we were pulling on Leigong two weeks before its destruction. That said, 2.8 is roughly 46% of the max possible, which means instead of 2.5 to 3 days to kill Oya, it might take 5 to 7 (rough guess) with constant pounding from everyone.

This of course only holds true if Frontier hasn’t changed things on their end to sway the timing, and if nothing else happens with control systems and other factors.

 

[CMDR Mechan]

They forced our hand. We have to hit Oya this week.

And truly, shame on the developers for making a back-end change with no communication with the community. This is not how you manage a dedicated player base. This behavior needs to stop (as it is also not the first time it happens.)

 

[c44448]

They forced our hand. We have to hit Oya this week.

And truly, shame on the developers for making a back-end change with no communication with the community. This is not how you manage a dedicated player base. This behavior needs to stop (as it is also not the first time it happens.)

from the current numbers and progression on previous titans it seems like we will not finish the titan in time.

 

[CMDR Mechan]

from the current numbers and progression on previous titans it seems like we will not finish the titan in time.

Don't take Thursday early morning numbers while folks are unaware of the focus as an indication.

Let us ramp the war machine up and then we will see.

Taranis was at "high" in its second week (the first week the bonds/progression was bugged anyway), when most damage was done. So, unless they changed the Titan HP pool as well, it IS doable.

If they did change the HP pool as well, with no communication whatsoever, well ... I will be at a loss for words. Investigation into that ongoing.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

If they did change the HP pool as well, with no communication whatsoever, well ... I will be at a loss for words. Investigation into that ongoing.

Given comments like https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-titan-stratagem.623749/post-10329163 and especially https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-titan-stratagem.623749/post-10331659 then Taranis having fewer HP (or weaker DR for the same systems, alternatively) than the other seven is entirely possible.

Of course, those can also be read as simply pointing out that the other Titans had far more defending controls than Taranis had.

 

[Aleks Zuno]

Also onto that second message, I add that we did clear as many Control systems as we could! Commanders were then going to clear the further seven possible Control systems, the means of which is now out of reach for a while.

As I was considering in the Thargoid invasion thread, everything points towards all we are being told about the war being completely false, including community correspondence and Pilots' Federation messages.

 

[Kira Goto]

Might wanna look at this.

Titan Oya deploys a surprise fleet of Orthrus vessels - Elite Dangerous

The Titan known as Oya appears to have deployed a large fleet of Orthrus vessels into star systems farther from their own territory breaking expected ...

www.elitedangerous.com

 

[CMDR Mechan]

Might wanna look at this.

Titan Oya deploys a surprise fleet of Orthrus vessels - Elite Dangerous

The Titan known as Oya appears to have deployed a large fleet of Orthrus vessels into star systems farther from their own territory breaking expected ...

www.elitedangerous.com

The response is appreciated.
It still doesn't make sense as there is NO WAY that hunting Orthruses in Alerts will let us clear even a mere portion of those - the strength of the inner systems is mind-boggling.
We still need to hit Oya directly this week.

 

[Kira Goto]

The response is appreciated.
It still doesn't make sense as there is NO WAY that hunting Orthruses in Alerts will let us clear even a mere portion of those - the strength of the inner systems is mind-boggling.
We still need to hit Oya directly this week.

I can imagine that. But at least they haven’t remained silent on this one.

The damage is more limited if this is a one-off when the Titan goes below 10(?) controls but if it’s due to loss of spires as I’ve seen theorized as well, that’s a bit more problematic, especially for the other Titans.

I suspect that if Frontier sought this as a way to delay the Titan’s destruction, it may be successful depending on how the assault this week goes, but it is clearly more going to be seen as a challenge for the playerbase on if they can take a Titan at High resistance down within a week.

… and as I mentioned in the invasion targets thread, people who are doing Titan cleanup would probably like that long overdue control combat rebalance.

 

[Spaceman-FXL5]

I was also prepared to go back to Invasions or even sampling to clear more systems before going for Oya in a week or two, but......................GO GO GO, attack Oya Titan NOW! <We Have Nothing To Lose>

After spending several more hours than I intended to today after todays tick and the increase in the number of systems around Oya, .... it - see how many hearts we can get this week.

 

[RaketeMike]

I was also prepared to go back to Invasions or even sampling to clear more systems before going for Oya in a week or two, but......................GO GO GO, attack Oya Titan NOW! <We Have Nothing To Lose>

After spending several more hours than I intended to today after todays tick and the increase in the number of systems around Oya, .... it - see how many hearts we can get this week.

Phew, not even 2% yet.. though I also attacked the core for several hours. More bombers have to join in, quite a steep curve to go!

 

[Spaceman-FXL5]

Phew, not even 2% yet.. though I also attacked the core for several hours. More bombers have to join in, quite a steep curve to go!

Yep, not even 2% OVERALL progress, but when I started on 1st Heart it was at 11%, when I left was at 13% and now I just came back is at 15% so KEEP GOING just get rid of 1 heart - it doesn't regenerate after Thursday tick does it?

 

[Aleks Zuno]

it doesn't regenerate after Thursday tick does it?

None have thus far, nor even repaired any partial damage, so I think it quite fine to continue attacking the Titan!

Assuming no more Alerts but also no weekend activity surge, a likely outcome is that we get some good Titan damage this week 71 plus many Alerts cleared, then a repeat week of Control clearance returns it to similar or slightly lower resistance for another Titan attack in week 73.

 

[CMDR Mechan]

None have thus far, nor even repaired any partial damage, so I think it quite fine to continue attacking the Titan!

Assuming no more Alerts but also no weekend activity surge, a likely outcome is that we get some good Titan damage this week 71 plus many Alerts cleared, then a repeat week of Control clearance returns it to similar or slightly lower resistance for another Titan attack in week 73.

While none of us expected the 30 alerts that were dropped on us, and now we clearly have no choice but to do what we can with the Alerts while hitting Oya as hard as we can, I hope you can appreciate, based on how slow progress is going, why we were arguing to clear the 7 remaining controls this week...

Now it is what it is. We'll do some damage to Oya, pare down the alerts, and eat the L FDEV handed to us by setting us back weeks, or even a month, in terms of progress.

Good thing at least the samples for the "inner 7" are 70% collected so, when the time comes, that will be an easy drop.

 

[Aleks Zuno]

I hope you can appreciate, based on how slow progress is going, why we were arguing to clear the 7 remaining controls this week...

Of course; within the actual simulation rules, that approach was always quite fine—my point earlier was that it ought not be eight Controls!

Having broken the simulation rules, my next consideration is whether such an event can occur again:

• If it is every week, I will no longer have a wing.
• If every two weeks or every time M. Oya enters Final Ten, any week such as this will be another hard-fought Final Twenty to reach and will need to be used for as much Titan damage as possible, resistance or otherwise.

Even without another fan of Alerts, it remains correct to attempt zero while also damaging the Titan, merely as a measure against being able to take Control systems spontaneously.

 

[Scoob]

Sorry guys, I'm just catching up on stuff... I had been planning to move to Oya very soon, to start attacking it directly, due to the number of systems it'd lost. However, the recent scripted events from FDev - which I missed initially - have left me somewhat puzzled. Should we be attacking Oya now, will it still be effective or is this scripted event going to prevent that mechanic from working for the time being?

I've seen messages about a call to arms to attack Oya NOW, to prevent the results of this script event from working, but are we sure it will. Is there evidence that Oya is taking damage as it should? My main concern is missing that vital Window to deal damage before the Titan goes down. Almost missed it last time, but managed some solid hits literally moments before the Titan fell. For some reason, I'm motivated by those decals... I want all eight!

 

[Felix DiCestria]

Sorry guys, I'm just catching up on stuff... I had been planning to move to Oya very soon, to start attacking it directly, due to the number of systems it'd lost. However, the recent scripted events from FDev - which I missed initially - have left me somewhat puzzled. Should we be attacking Oya now, will it still be effective or is this scripted event going to prevent that mechanic from working for the time being?

I've seen messages about a call to arms to attack Oya NOW, to prevent the results of this script event from working, but are we sure it will. Is there evidence that Oya is taking damage as it should? My main concern is missing that vital Window to deal damage before the Titan goes down. Almost missed it last time, but managed some solid hits literally moments before the Titan fell. For some reason, I'm motivated by those decals... I want all eight!

Yes we're bombing Oya now. There don't seem to be as many of us as there were for Taranis so progress is slower than hoped for, that said there are some samplers going after the alerts at 20 LY+. Spire's out of the question right now. so that's the current position.

 

[The Limey]

Unfortunately, if FDev keeps changing the rules to make things harder there will be fewer and fewer people committing to what looks like it will be a very long grind. What makes it worse is that attacking the Titan in open is still bugged. And unlike the last two Titans there are no npcs at Oya in solo. It’s a bit lonely banging away at the pineapple on your own