I would not care how P2W or greedy a developer has to get...

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Cocalarix

Cocalarix
...IF they'd actually deliver some actual updates to their game as well, not reworking Powerplay (a feature from 8 years ago) and launching ONE ship with a 3-month pre-order period.

This is embarrassing for a developer like Frontier.

Meanwhile, the game that shall not be named has had an incredible greedy monetization system and has definitely deserved all the flask it got, but after more than a decade that game is still delivering actual updates and is making progress, like their latest update has volumetric clouds and water simulation among many other features that we've been asking for Elite for years.

And seeing how Elite has been managed stings even more when you see that IT IS possible to get things done in the space sim genre.
I'm not a hater or a fanboy, I just want to see the space gaming genre flourish. o7
 

EddDoloroso

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I saw people in another thread uninstalling the game. I just couldn't understand. How can a person who is probably an american living in the US playing a game from a company under the capitalist regime be surprised that it flirts with greed and wants to profit more? FDev is on the stock market in UK! What did you expect?

I agree with you in a sense that if they get this money to push new updates making the game better, it is worth it. I couldn't find where the P2W thing is. You aren't buying an exclusive ship with better modules or something like that, you are just buying time.

What is much better in my opinion is to not buy ships made by magic. Instead, in a Foxhole-Eve approach, buy a ship that was made by a player faction with resources collected by players or traded in a market controlled by players. And the ship will always carry the name of the ones who built it. For me, much, much better. But by history and the way things are going recently, Elite Dangerous is just not taking this path so I don't bother in asking that anymore.
 

Nikephorus Phocas

Nikephorus Phocas
EddDoloroso said:
I saw people in another thread uninstalling the game. I just couldn't understand. How can a person who is probably an american living in the US playing a game from a company under the capitalist regime be surprised that it flirts with greed and wants to profit more? FDev is on the stock market in UK! What did you expect?
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Minus the nationality aspect of your comment, I don't see this as bad. How long has Elite been around? A decade right? They can't rely on new sales to carry a game this far and continue to develop new stuff. They (FDev) can't let their other games series make money and siphon it off to keep ED alive? So they release Horizons or Odyssey to get people to pay, they sell arx for cosmetics for ships and suits and now the potential of buying an upcoming ship that may be pre kitted out? I don't see the problem here and I certainly fail to see the argument that it's hurting ED (killing it) and/or pay to win as the argument has been made. I don't even know if this is greed. I don't think FDev is going to keep Elite alive based on hopes and dreams or even charity.

Maybe I'm missing something
 

amigacooke

amigacooke
EddDoloroso said:
I saw people in another thread uninstalling the game. I just couldn't understand. How can a person who is probably an american living in the US playing a game from a company under the capitalist regime be surprised that it flirts with greed and wants to profit more? FDev is on the stock market in UK! What did you expect?.
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I agree that Frontier isn’t a charity, but then neither am I.
 

IstvaanDCIV

IstvaanDCIV
EddDoloroso said:
I saw people in another thread uninstalling the game. I just couldn't understand. How can a person who is probably an american living in the US playing a game from a company under the capitalist regime be surprised that it flirts with greed and wants to profit more? FDev is on the stock market in UK! What did you expect?

I agree with you in a sense that if they get this money to push new updates making the game better, it is worth it. I couldn't find where the P2W thing is. You aren't buying an exclusive ship with better modules or something like that, you are just buying time.

What is much better in my opinion is to not buy ships made by magic. Instead, in a Foxhole-Eve approach, buy a ship that was made by a player faction with resources collected by players or traded in a market controlled by players. And the ship will always carry the name of the ones who built it. For me, much, much better. But by history and the way things are going recently, Elite Dangerous is just not taking this path so I don't bother in asking that anymore.
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I think uninstalling the game is at this point an overreaction, but I can understand the concern behind it. I can't say I'm feeling 100% good about this announcement.

The strongest point of concern raised concerning this is the argument that if a significant number of people are willing to pay to skip the engineering grind, then the solution should have been to fix the grind rather than start accepting money to skip it. Complicating this is the subjective nature of what is considered "too grindy" or not. For example, I'm fine with ship engineering, but there are also plenty who have complained about it

A better solution would be to allow players to sell outfitted ships and engineered modules to each other for credits. That would have given something to do for the people who enjoy the grind, and opened up opportunities for those who hate grinding at all.
 

Nikephorus Phocas

Nikephorus Phocas
Do we know that this ship will be engineered?
I like your idea of a player based barter/store system where they can buy and sell modules to each other.
 

IstvaanDCIV

IstvaanDCIV
Nikephorus Phocas said:
Do we know that this ship will be engineered?
I like your idea of a player based barter/store system where they can buy and sell modules to each other.
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Depends what you mean by "this ship". There are two separate things in the announcement:

1) Early access to the Python Mk2. FDev have not mentioned this one as being special in any way from the ones being sold for in-game credits.

2) The AX Cheftain package. This is the one I would expect to have some engineering, but FDev haven't been clear on this point beyond mentioning "substantial upgrade" from bought stock, which could mean anything from just better than E-rated modules all the way to full G5 engineering of the whole thing, to even including overpowered "god modules". My expectation is that it would be A-rated and include at least some engineering work, perhaps G3 on some critical modules.

But the big problem is that FDev have provided hardly information about this, as well as details concerning how players get their ships and how rebuys are handled.
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
Cocalarix said:
Meanwhile, the game that shall not be named has had an incredible greedy monetization system and has definitely deserved all the flask it got, but after more than a decade that game is still delivering actual updates and is making progress....
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... and, one day, may even get to beta?

I pledged years ago, I wonder if it will ever be a game, or did I waste money?
 
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